Innate Wisdom Podcast

What It's About:

Join Loren Sofia, Functional Fertility Coach and founder of Innate Fertility, and Nick and Nathan of Mitigate Stress as they discuss the missing links to sustainable health and wellness.

In this episode, you’ll learn about:

• Nick & Nathan’s personal story
• Things that are draining holes in your health routine
• The 4 pillars of their unique philosophy for achieving better health
• How to navigate what to actually eat in the complicated world of wellness
• How to hydrate the right way 
• How to tell if you’re exercising too much and not recovering enough 
• How your fascia impacts your posture and beyond
• Practical things you can do daily that regulate blood sugar
• And more!

Episode Links:

• Nick & Nathan’s Website: mitigatestress.com/ (use code INNATE for a 10% discount)
• Nick & Nathan’s IG: @mitigatestress

Transcript:

[00:00:00] Loren: Welcome to the Innate Wisdom Podcast. I'm your host, Loren Sofia, healer of my own fertility and health struggles, mother, functional fertility coach to thousands of women, and owner of Innate Fertility. I believe your body is innately wise, and so is your fertility. Sometimes we just need the tools to unlock it in abundance.

I'm honored to guide you through each episode where we'll cover not just fertility, but how to rediscover the innate wisdom of your body. Restore your connection with your physiology, bioenergetics, and metabolism, and get back in touch with Mother Nature and ancestral traditions.

Today I'm welcoming Nick and Nathan from Mitigate Stress, who both have roots in the fitness world, but have also struggled with their own health issues. And they have been on the hamster wheel of health and wellness trends until they finally broke the chains. And once they did, they found true and sustainable health.

Nick and Nathan not only developed their own version of functional bodybuilding, but a really unique approach that honors the fascia of your body, which is the connective tissue that surrounds your muscles, blood vessels, and nerves. And if you're in my course, a shout out to those students practicing self myofascial release to support their fertility.

I love this. They've also developed an incredibly thoughtful supplement line called Mitigate Stress. I personally adore their magnesium, bicarbonate, and shilajit. And their whole goal is to truly mitigate stress. And that's what their philosophy really centers around. It's not some radical or extreme way of living.

It focuses on highlighting the areas that you might be missing in your daily routine so that you can simplify your life and live. Their approach really resonates with me because this is exactly what I see with the women that come to work with me. They are either doing way too much to try and support their fertility, everything under the sun, their routine is militant, and they're usually honestly miserable, or they're not doing it nearly enough to make a difference in their fertility.

Just the basics that they think they should be doing that somebody they saw on Instagram is doing or that they read in a book and So it's on either side of the extremes and really unfocused energy, And this is what I do, I help them find the missing links so that they can stop wasting time money and energy and actually enjoy the process of getting pregnant of Optimizing their fertility while reaching their fertility goals of becoming a mother. I think you'll find a lot of relatable and realistic information in this episode, and I love having diverse guests on, and I want to share that Nick and Nathan are of the Orthodox Christian faith, and you may hear some of this flavor from them, too.

I hope you enjoy. All right, everyone. I'm super excited today to welcome Nick and Nathan from Mitigate Stress. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Hey, 

[00:03:01] Nick: how's it going? Thanks for having us on. 

[00:03:04] Loren: Yeah, super excited to be chatting with you both today. I so admire all the work that you do and really the approach that you take, the philosophy behind it, which we'll talk about today.

But, uh, for those of the audience that are not familiar, would you mind sharing your story and what led you to doing the work that you're doing today? 

[00:03:25] Nick: You know, when I was five years old, my dad, uh, went through a terminal illness and that kind of struck our family to make some changes in our life. Led him to one thing to the next, to go into Sedona and doing all these alternative holistic therapies and Reiki and homeopathic alternatives.

And, uh, long story short, you know, the doctors basically said he had a certain amount of time to live. It was a pretty serious terminal illness. I'm not going to get into too much detail on that, but you know, a certain amount of time to live. And well, he outlived that and he believed a lot of it was, was his mind, did a lot of fasting, a lot of nutritional protocols, but eventually, uh, went into vegetarianism and veganism.

And we, as a family, as a collective, joined in and, you know, stopped eating eggs and pork and meat and stuff. And it was great for a while. It was a great experience as a family and together. But over time, we just saw that our health degraded really fast. Um, especially when you're growing up, it's completely different for a lot of people don't realize.

So, Basically, yeah, 10, 15 years after that, I started really feeling the effects of vegetarianism and veganism. And I do think a lot of my health problems were related to me as a child being traumatized from, you know, thinking my dad was going to leave this world. Um, I was in denial of it for so long and it took me so long to realize, oh wow, I'm holding on to this anxiety, basically.

It basically took me out of the present. I distracted myself with a lot of video games. And in my mind, thoughts, crazy thoughts all the time. And of course, the diet didn't help, you know. So, fast forward, I guess, 15 years. I met him at Gold's Gym in Herndon, Virginia. And he was the assistant fitness director.

I was just the personal trainer coming on board. And, uh, we didn't really talk to each other at first for a while. And eventually, uh, We became friends and then, uh, fast forward, I moved in to like a townhouse, it was basically like a frat house. And, uh, it was with a bunch of different people from Gold's Gym and I guess he, he, uh, he experienced like a relapse.

We'll go into his stories now. 

[00:05:37] Nathan: You know, I grew up on the standard American diet. My parents did the best they could. They didn't know any better. I'm sure, I don't know if you did, but everything from cereals to, I'm sure most of your listeners grew up on the whole, you know, pasteurized milk and muffins, cakes, you know, you name it, all the crap food, you know, just not well sourced meats and just learning that now.

But yeah, I grew up on that. I was 18, uh, at a college down in Southern Virginia. And, uh, I first had Bell's Palsy, uh, where the whole left side of my body, you know, just kind of went numb. I didn't have any nerve firings on that side. Doctors didn't know what to do. I was in the hospital for weeks. I had like a PICC line put in because they said it was Lyme when, you know, it's, in our viewpoint now, it was just an overabundance of toxicity and adrenaline and stress hormones.

That caused that issue to happen and I didn't know any better. So I just went along with the system and, uh, did all the antibiotics. Of course, I grew up on a bunch of, you know, injections as well. I'm sure many followers and listeners understand the terrible effects of those, which probably affected a lot of my issues.

And of course, with the diet, with the alcohol, with the drugs, uh, in combination, all that, even though I looked healthy on the outside, you know, it's still made an impact. And of course I just lived my life after. That in college, you know, you just want to have fun. You're on your own did that whole thing That's when you know, I met nick after college.

I started personal training getting into bodybuilding. He was a powerlifter bodybuilder. We both kind of had that drive to do that. And that's when I was 2024 I had another kind of health scare where I just had all this pain in my joints I felt just very inflamed and swollen everywhere Uh, my legs just felt very stiff I was stiff everywhere even though again, I looked As you say, great on the outside, as most you see people in the fitness industry nowadays.

I'm sure we'll get into, but again, just. Was feeling like crap. I had fatigue. I had inflammation in all my joints. I hurt and I was like, why am I feeling like this? I'm 24 years old. I this shouldn't be happening So it kind of made me take a step back and that's when I met Nick and just people in my life at that time We're just kind of influencing me to look at different things and Nick was the biggest influence to change my diet to start changing my water because His family kind of was already on the whole water quality thing 20 years ago before it even was a thing, you know so he was kind of ahead of the game on that and He was I think getting out of vegetarian and I was like wanting to go into it I was like, oh, let me give up meat and see how I feel So I did that went vegan basically within two weeks and did that for Just about a year and it took me just about a year to realize.

Okay, this is not good for our biology or chemistry at all. I had, I pulled like muscles in the bottom of my foot and my hamstring. And that's what kind of led us into getting into the trigger pointing, the, the type of breathing we're doing, the corrective exercises, the walking, you know, our whole hydration guide.

But yeah, it just, you know, I'm sure I can talk more about the whole health issue, but it just gets you kind of to Look at things at a different viewpoint and ultimately it leads us to finding truth Which we found in the whole spiritual aspect of our guide and in our pillars to our business which we believe is in the Orthodox Church and Finding God and that's what really ultimately saved us at the end of the day being saved as well I know I'm going on a tangent, but it's it's more than the kind of Protestant belief in in being saved But yeah that all the health issues what I'm trying to say and get at is led, led me to wanting to find truth and looking into the health aspect of food, to nourishment of the food, to the movement and the fitness stuff.

It all kind of made us look at it in a holistic viewpoint and that's, you know, what our whole business and philosophy is about is is taking the holistic approach, just like our spiritual father says we can't, you know, just hyper analyze or radically focus on one thing. And we just get to extremism about it.

And that's what it's not good, you know, and we've both been, I can blame myself, we've both been too extreme in in each one of these categories in our business. And, you know, we have to take more of a balanced approach. 

[00:10:01] Loren: So no, thank you so much for sharing that. I think personal experiences are really They just become the catalyst for huge changes.

And, um, I think so many of us in this sort of health and wellness space. are here because of our own personal turmoils and learnings, uh, and this quest for truth. Of course, uh, you know, there is, there's a lot of people that want to take advantage of the health and wellness industry as well and what it is and take advantage of trends, seeing it only as like money, dollar signs.

Uh, but I really appreciate the integrity that you guys bring to the space and just the transparency and authenticity. And so, after Gold's Gym, you guys met and uh from there it it was it was uh written in stone.

[00:10:53] Nick: um well when i moved in that's when he had this second experience with falls pausing because he thought he was done right so that was the catalyst that really drove him into having the reality check and then i actually Myself, we moved into his client's basement, and I actually ended up pushing a very small kidney stone.

I wasn't crazy, but you know, spinach, oxalates, I didn't, I thought I was on the healthiest diet still. And of course, you know, he, gotta blame him. He got me back into vegan. No, but you know, I, I Wanted to experiment. I was excited and stuff and I was eating a bunch of eggs at the time So I went from 20 year veganism with all these different raw vegan diets into vegetarianism Then I meet him.

We're like, let's take care of our health. Then our health got really bad Then we started looking into more, you know meat carnivore one extreme to the next to the next to the next then we got into Ray Peat and You know, then we thought we knew everything of course with Ray Peat so it's like constantly making sure that you got this humility check is the number one thing because There's a, there's a saying, I wish I had the quote here, but basically the saint says, like, to assume that we are living without deception is deception itself, like, we're always deceived, and that's the essence of humility, is like, we, you can't possibly think you know absolute truth, and I actually read this really good book from this gentleman, I wish I could share it, it's called the Ray Peat Diet or something, it's basically a guy that's talking about Ray Peat from a non cultish standpoint, because a lot of people in the Ray Peat community make it very cultish, And, uh, Ray Peat never actually wanted the diet to be, there was no such thing as a Ray Peat diet.

He just wants to create like a baseline of biochemistry and knowledge, right? So, at the end of that book, what I got out of it was he said, you know, we have to stop, you know, think we have absolution or think, you know, assuming we have absolute knowledge. It's, it's really, it's, it's such a humility check often.

Then all of our pillars were starting to come together because, you know, when you try a new diet, especially a radical one, you feel great, two months, and we were so focused on the diet, the nourish part, and it is important, it is very important. The problem is though, these diets, that's why they're called diets, is they always eliminate some kind of macronutrient.

Even the Ray Peat diet can't eliminate too much fat, in our opinion, and there's a time and place. Obviously it's the type of fats, the right type of fats, you know, make sure your fats are more raw, not overly cooked, or seed oils and stuff like that. Um, and then just let, obviously when we talked with, uh, you know, about Jack Cruz a lot and EMF and blue light, we already were on that, but like he said, once we added more of the mental component, we realized, okay, we have these three pillars, but we're, we're still not really feeling like we're healthy because.

Your mind controls a lot. I mean my dad always told me about this study back then when I was a kid It's kind of like the study that kind of in our opinion made him beat cancer was the mind They said they basically did this test on two inmates that were on death row and they they slit both their wrists and they had a bucket and it was dripping water.

Uh, long story short, I think they both ended up dying, but they never slit their wrists. It was just the fear of death the whole time. They thought they were literally bleeding out. Not sure where I can get that study. It's an old study he told me about, but it was powerful enough for me to like, take that through life and be like, okay, your mind is 

[00:14:10] Loren: Wow, 

[00:14:11] Nick: really a problem really makes a big difference.

Um, for example, like movement, I worked with a physical therapist, one of the best in the world, I'd have to say, and she said she's been all over the world. And she's like, Nick, I got to say physical therapy movement. It's all important. But a lot of these dysfunctions that people have are 100 percent emotionally related, kyphotic curves and stuff.

It's depression, anxiety, anger, you know, turmoil, resentment. So that's when we got to, got into really, you know, researching the studying of the saints and the church fathers and their teachings. And the, uh, we really highly recommend people look up the church fathers and the teachings of the saints because they just have such simple teachings on how to really You know, shift your mind and like my friend always says, if you're given an inch, you can go a mile.

And so basically, that's where we're at right now. We got four pillars, nourish, move, environment, mental, and spiritual. 

[00:15:06] Loren: Yeah, thank you for sharing that. I do think the mental side of it is just so interwoven into the other parts too, the other areas you can heal. And the question with like, Studies like that is like, is it moral?

But, um, there is one. I'm not sure if you've heard of the monster study. Well, I forget the name of the doctor that performed it, but he received a lot of criticism because of this, because it was done on children. I think it was, Children in an orphanage and hopefully I'm, for those of you listening, definitely go look this up because I don't want to misrepresent anything, but this is what I remember.

He basically divided the children into two groups and one group was told that they had speech impediments and were treated like they had speech impediments. Uh, when they didn't. Uh, so they were told they had a stutter, they were told they had some other kinds of speech impediments, and then the other group of children was just treated like normal children even if they had speech impediments.

And what happened over time is that the children that were treated like they had speech impediments, even though they didn't have any speech impediments, ended up developing speech impediments. And I feel like, you know, yes, children are very malleable at a very young age and very absorbent. Uh, but I think that just goes to show how powerful also the environment around you and how it can influence your own health and wellbeing and the way you manifest in the world is.

Uh, so that, that's another interesting one that sticks out to me as far as like the connection between the mental, uh, side of, of things and how, how that. That is really powerful. 

[00:16:53] Nick: That's crazy. 

[00:16:54] Loren: It is, uh, definitely not a moral study and probably wouldn't be able to be done now, but yeah, it's definitely makes you think 

[00:17:03] Nick: they're already doing it real time with the way they're, you know, I don't want to get into political, but you know, we're the way they're teaching our children.

I mean, it's local for us with our public schools. Yeah. We're learning about the, the books they're putting in and stuff and the grooming, we'll call it that, you know, so it's, it's very real and very present. 

[00:17:21] Loren: Yes, I can definitely see exactly what you mean. Um, and only time will tell if we, we really learn from what we're doing now, but, uh, hopefully we do sooner than later.

But yeah, so I love the philosophy. I think it's, It's very powerful. Can you walk us through maybe each pillar of your philosophy a little more in depth or which one you feel like is maybe the most overlooked or is the one that's the most important? 

[00:17:50] Nick: Okay. Oh, we can definitely cover every one of them and then definitely, yeah, focus more on the one we find most important.

So we have nourish, number one, got to have your food, got to have your calories. Uh, that's the one that, of course, we started with, that's the one that everyone kind of talks about online. 

[00:18:07] Nathan: Seems to be the most popular on IG, you know, all the food reels 

[00:18:14] Nick: It's true though, because like, you know, you have to have calories, you can't be moving without calories.

You gotta have fuel for the Ferrari, right? So, basically with Nourish, how we take it is, we really have tried hard. to avoid becoming too authoritarian, too dogmatic with nutrition and try to, yeah, like he always says, try to take more of a holistic approach. So how do we do that? Well, one, we keep all the macros in, we don't remove them.

If you are doing something like a low FODMAP carnivore diet, it's great for some of those that need it, maybe for, you know, a month to two months max, um, but then that's more of just an elimination diet. We don't recommend that for everyone and we don't recommend fasting for everyone, but these are things that we don't throw the baby out with the bath water per se.

So there's always this, um, we're trying to do that. Like, for example, Fallon, one of our followers, we follow her, she, um, You know, I was talking about beans with us and, you know, me being vegetarian for 20 years, I was traumatized from beans. So I'm like, well, maybe I can eat that again. Um, you know, some people say it's healthy.

It's not healthy. It's healthy if you sprout it. Some people say it's creates more plants, defense chemicals when you do sprout it. So we do have to have some kind of discernment. We are in the age of discernment. Um, and that's why it's important to have a foundation first. That's the point of our nourish, which is.

Gotta have your meat, gotta have your butter or fat source. If you're a vegetarian, focus more on coconuts. If I was a vegetarian, I would focus more on, you know, raw, saturated fats like coconuts, red palm oil, raw cacao butter, and then if you're vegan, well, at least be a vegetarian, please. But we try to get people on raw dairy, you know, It's, it's definitely something that's very controversial.

Butter is a lot more easier to digest. If you can't digest that, you can most definitely digest ghee. But we try to keep our fats raw, um, because it's, studies have shown that all fats can harden in the liver. And that's what causes, you know, the cholesterol, and the heart disease, and et cetera. 

[00:20:09] Nathan: The fat molecule can also increase, like, they say, 40 to 60 times it's actual size when you cook it. So, you know, a lot of, especially women deal with cellulite or what not can, can be caused from a lot of these cooked fats if instead we just eat them raw, you know, you don't essentially blow it up as much, you can still eat a lot of fat and not get super, super like fat as we deem in society.

And that's another thing in nourish. And another PhD, Ajahn Aswanir point is I'm sure people have heard of or not. Um, he has a lot of good information on, on the nourish side of things is. Getting a lot of fat, especially in our toxic over toxic society with all the chemicals that's introduced into our day and age every single year.

There's thousands of new chemicals from the clothes, from the food, which I'm sure a lot of your listeners know about. It's, it's everywhere, you know, from, uh, Paints to solvents to off gassing of stuff. You know, we need this this fat in our system more than ever to help bind to these toxins and help Remove them safely out from our body or else like someone like me who is kind of skinnier back when I had my health issues I just think I didn't have enough raw fat to help bind to these toxins And yeah, Nick too And I'm sure most people we need fat to help Bind to the toxins and remove them out of our body from heavy metals to metals you know, whatnot.

And it is super important. And yeah, like Nick was saying, some people might not be able to get on the raw dairy or not be able to source it. But that's also another thing we, we talk about in our nourishes, sourcing foods properly, where to source them, which makes the whole world of a difference of getting meat from, say, a grocery store.

It could be organic, but it could be given some sort of, you know, shots or injections when going to your local farmer and looking for some more, you know, naturally raised as God intended. Meat that's not given anything that's raised on pasture and grass and it can make the world of a difference of what you're eating and how that animal is treated as well.

So, uh, that's another thing with how we source our food. Um, how you eat too, how you eat time windows combining. There's so many things. I mean, we don't really go into that too much. We just want to, like Nick said, be that kind of. Just holistic and not too much of an authoritarian Viewpoint the other thing we talked about in nourish is the whole hydration of Nourishing most people think they're gonna get hydrated from drinking water when in reality That's not the case We have to drink water with minerals and electrolytes and we have to get water through our fresh fruits and fresh produce Ideally, and of course through raw fats, that's how we actually hydrate through our food It's just like when you put oil in your in your car.

That's how we lubricate everything that goes on. You're not going to pour water in your car. It's not going to hydrate. Or if you put water on your skin, it doesn't hydrate your skin. It actually, it's a solvent. So, um, same thing externally is going to happen internally. When we drink too much water, it's just going to strip our body of, of the fat and it's going to strip it of minerals.

So it could actually be dehydrating you more, which I'm sure many of your followers hopefully understand the whole water, uh, hydration concept, but. 

[00:23:15] Nick: Well, yeah, with water, what we always recommend is. Drinking no more than a tablespoon to two tablespoons every five minutes max because you drink too much you start stripping the mucus lining up the kidneys And again, like you said, it's a solvent, pulls minerals, and the cells don't want just water, they want the nutrients bound to that water, because can you imagine just flooding all your cells with a bunch of water?

Wouldn't work. They need nutrients, they need minerals, fatty soluble vitamins, fatty soluble minerals, or sorry, water soluble minerals. Fats as well. All that has to be water soluble. There has to be ionic activity, ionic exchange between these nutrients. And so we're in a world where we're over exercising, we're gonna get into, and we're over drinking water.

And this is actually why I think I had my health crisis. I thought I was super healthy drinking, half gallon, got up to a gallon, and eventually a gallon and a half of water, and you're just flooding your body. And we have this mindset. We're gonna go into exercise now, movement. We have this mindset, which actually came from, you know, circa 1960s, Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know, working out six, seven days a week.

There's actually a lot of bodybuilders that were against that back then, but somehow that became the mainstream narrative where like Mike Mensah said, who's a famous bodybuilder, uh, you basically lose your life in the gym. You want a life or not? Like you don't want to waste your time in the gym. You want to get in and get out 20, 40 minutes max.

But, Arnold created this society where people are literally just gym. What do you call gym nuts gym? Just in the gym crazy people gym rats We we were there. Yeah, we were gym rats. And so we were that's all we knew That's all our entire fitness kind of system is based off as well And uh, you know, mike menser and tom platz who are legendary bodybuilders both follow a completely opposite spectrum and they actually said when they worked out with arnold schwarzenegger, they actually got smaller because they just It was just too much.

They either needed to rest more, sleep more. We don't believe that there truly is overtraining. It's just under resting and recovering, under recovering. And if you can't recover, well then you're overtraining technically, you know. So it's more complicated than that. But you know, we try to promote, whereas a lot of the Ray P community or a lot of the Nourish community kind of, not all of them, I don't want to put everyone in one box, but a lot of people are kind of scared of exercise, you know, or, Working out.

There's a reason why. Yes, but we try to take a different approach. We, we, we view movement almost just as important as Nutrition because one if you look at our natural world, what is natural, whatever, but if you look at the older world, you know We didn't have cars. We didn't have transportation. We had horses, of course, but we were walking a lot We were moving, hinging, picking things up, etc And we look at like the work of Thomas Myers, who we talk a lot about, and he talks about fascia.

And how important it is to wring out that sponge every single day, basically, you have to wring out that sponge with movement, with pressure, with twisting, because you have to get rid of that old dirty water, those old metabolites or metabolic waste products, right? You have to bring in that nutrient dense water.

So if you're drinking, Even if you are doing everything right where you're making the the right drinks with magnesium, and 

[00:26:31] Nathan: Yeah ,you're doing a lot of you know, we promote this lubrication formula or moisturizing formula Agenis von your planets. He talks a lot about it. It's just Raw butter, egg, honey, and lemon.

It's like a lemon meringue kind of drink, and it's great to just help get nutrients not only to the inside of your organs, but most people are starved far away from the organs like their skin, and it helps get nutrients all over the body. But yeah, like Nick was saying, you could be doing all the nutrition stuff, but if you're, if your body, if your fascia is dehydrated and then there's no, you know, fluidity throughout your body, the nutrients aren't going to get to every cell throughout your body.

So you could be eating great, but. You could still be having some skin issues or something. Um, and we see that a lot, but yeah, the, the, the ringing out the fascia, it's like remolding that dry clay. We want to hydrate it now with water, of course, but we want to hydrate it through certain other things. Like we talk about hot baths and, and movement, of course, and trigger pointing and food, you know, why not just.

Attack it from all different angles because you're limiting yourself by just trying to think you're going to fix a lot of your issues from just nourishing and you can you can fix a lot with with nourish don't get me wrong i've i've been slacking on the trigger pointing side to our business just because you know life gets to you and and you have to work on your priorities and that's where we created the hydration guide just really nail the the heavy hitters and that goes into our philosophy as well as Everything you can find about our philosophy is in the hydration guide, so 

[00:28:00] Nick: sustainability. We want realism. 

[00:28:03] Loren: Yeah. And that's the crux of your philosophy, which I love. Um, I think you made so many great points and, um, I agree completely. I think nourishment is really important, but a lot of people, I think, just kind of gravitate towards that because maybe it seems like the most low hanging fruit or the easiest thing that they can supplement with.

And you know, Oh, that's going to solve my problem. If I could just get this nutrient and that happens a lot in my world, especially in regards to fertility. Oh, how can I boost my progesterone? You know, what, what supplement can I take or what, what food do I need to eat? Uh, but really it's, it's so much more than that.

And you'll gain so much more wellness and fertility if you look outside just that kind of like narrow tunnel view. And I totally agree with the hormonal imbalances and hydrating your fascia and detoxification too, because your lymphatic system does not, Move unless you do, you know, you're not gonna get any lymphatic drainage if you're not moving. So if you have hormonal imbalances, you're missing out on a huge opportunity to support yourself if you are not moving and humans were meant to move. So loved what you had to say there anything else you would add?

[00:29:19] Nick: a couple more Speaking of hormonal balances. Would you say blood sugar is probably the number one thing that is the direct influence on people's hormonal imbalances. 

[00:29:30] Loren: Yeah, definitely one of the top, especially fertility as well. I think a lot of people don't realize how intertwined fertility is to blood sugar too. Um, so yeah, it's, it's definitely a key one that needs to be addressed immediately.

[00:29:43] Nick: So the, exactly. So the number one thing, The number one way we, we believe to really regulate your blood sugar, even if you are sensitive to carbohydrates and everything you eat, you're just reacting, you feel your blood sugar go crazy, you feel lethargic, adrenal fatigue, whatever, is to just simply walk after each meal.

There's so many studies now proving that if you just do a 10 minute walk after each meal, so that's three times a day, that will completely regulate not everybody, but some people, their blood sugar. And it just, not only that. Digestion. I mean, that's huge. Those are the two biggest things. And if you just simply add a walk in, sometimes we're so focused, it's the food, it's the food. It's not the food. You're just not moving enough. It's that simple. Sometimes not everybody, but you know. A lot of times that's the problem.

[00:30:35] Loren: Hey, it's Loren. If you feel overwhelmed because you're not sure where to start preparing your body for pregnancy, if you feel like you've tried everything that you can find in books, podcasts, and on social media, if you feel like you get the runaround to your questions with over generalized responses and answers, I see you and I hear you.

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Loren: I agree. 

[00:32:58] Nathan: Yeah. And we know we talked about it years ago and we, we haven't really talked too much, but the whole movement side, we incorporate certain corrective exercises to trigger point, but your nervous system, which is in your spine is controls every function to your, to your body biologically, from your digestion to your, Your circulation of blood to your sleep, to hormones, potentially to digestion, to, you know, recovery.

So we want to make sure that nervous system in your spine is actually is not compressed. You know, many people nowadays were very compressed from sitting, of course, uh, from whatever it could be injuries. It could be any type of stress. car accidents, you name it. Um, we want to really focus on our, our nervous system, which is through our posture, through how we breathe and how we create, uh, what we call pressure throughout the body.

We want to learn how to create pressure because that can also influence how we digest food and what not, and how we sleep and, Yeah, that's going to be benefited through walking, of course, you can walk, but it's not only how we it's what we do, but it's also how we do it, how we walk. And that's a big thing that we do cover in the hydration guide is, is how we do things is very overlooked in the fitness industry through simple exercises.

Many people just think nowadays I have to go do three sets of 10 reps of this, but you could do one set of one rep of a corrective exercise that we teach. Yeah. And it can yield way more results than just doing three sets of 10 of a simple, whatever squat or something. We really break down going into so many different cues, you know, really breaking down and exercise into little cues that can make such of a difference and, and doing it properly.

You know, if we're just going through the motions, just like with anything in our life, we want to really be methodical in how we do it. Because if we're doing something over and over again, and it's not proper, it can pull us in the opposite direction of where we want to go. So that's more into the movement.

And then we have, of course, environment in our spiritual pillar as well. 

[00:34:58] Nick: I wish I had this study too, but it was from a gentleman online. And, uh, he basically got into forest bathing. Everyone knows about forest bathing, the statistics, the percentages that increase with the immune system, etc. 

[00:35:10] Loren: Just for the audience, in case they don't know what forest bathing is, can you share?

[00:35:15] Nick: It's basically just going in the forest. Um, it can be anything. You could be meditating in the forest, you could be walking in the forest, climbing trees, but you're just in a, preferably a dense forest or an ocean. You know, you have the negative ions, you have the frequencies, which are ebbing and flowing.

And, That's what the, you know, Blue Shield guy talks about, that scalar energy. It's just, you're in that environment, you're away from, even if there is cellular towers around and you are in the city with a lot of pollution, just get yourself into the woods, no matter how small it may be. It's better than nothing, but that's basically what forest bathing is, going inside the woods.

I think he was diagnosed with some form of lung cancer, not lung cancer. I mean, it was, I can't remember exactly what cancer it was. Long story short, basically, he Recovered from it from like I think six months of just walking in the woods, I think, like two hours a day for a whole year. And he just, obviously he's still doing it.

But that was, that was just kind of mind blowing for me, that simple study. And it's something that I already kind of knew, but just to hear more of it, more results, more proof, that, wow, he didn't do anything else. And this is why we have these pillars, because Each one in and of themselves is that much of a foundation, but when you combine them all, wow, you got a powerhouse and there's no way that you can go the other direction because ultimately our philosophy is just moving that needle, that trajectory towards life.

Like our spiritual father teaches us again a three percent grade. Um, we talked about this earlier. I'm a super radicalist He was he's much more controlled than me. Even better But I've you know radicalism we've learned in our catechism through our church is that radicalism is an act of pride You know when we try to do something that's why we talked about Arnold Schwarzenegger and the workout mentality the philosophy of today's modern global gym, right?

Everyone's just, it's go hard or go home. It's no pain, no gain. And that's a terrible mindset on a lot of things because we compare ourselves to athletes. Um, especially if I get into a new activity, I look at the top and I'm like, oh, I gotta, I gotta catch up. That's, that's not the case. They don't do that.

That's impossible. They are slowly adding on layers and layers. Like they always say, you just got to do better than you did yesterday. And like our spiritual father always tells us. The most important thing is to just enjoy the journey and be present. Because if you're not present, then, you know, you're missing out on everything.

Because escaping yourself from the past or the future and worrying about that, that's escaping reality. The only reality is right now. So, as far as environment goes, that was more spiritual, but mental. Uh, as far as environment goes, yeah. I'll see EMF where you just wrote up a guide about that as well that's coming out. That blog will launch tomorrow. 

[00:38:05] Loren: Yeah. We'll make sure to link that. 

[00:38:06] Nick: For sure. Yeah, thank you. With, with environment, we just want people to get out and stack these habits. So if you're going to go for a walk, it'd be best to go walk in the woods or just somewhere with some nature. That's all we're trying to really say.

We're not trying to like have all these crazy compartments and stuff. We're trying to, we're trying to combine everything to a really realistic, sustainable lifestyle routine that people can look at and not get scared and turn their eyes, but actually be like, Oh, okay, that's doable. But also at the same time, be like, Oh, this is actually.

Yielding some pretty profound changes and results so environment you can't heal in the environment that made you sick So that's true. That's the first thing that usually has to change whether it's the food in your environment the pantry, right? Or if you're sleeping right next to a Wi Fi router your phone's not on airplane mode It's right next to your head when you sleep Yeah, I slept with him right under my pillow.

I mean, you know, we all did stupid stuff, right? So, you know, smart meters, etc, etc. It doesn't mean you, you know, people kind of go, again, extreme, where they're like, oh, I just got to move out into the woods. No, we're not saying that. There's modern technological interventions that we have to our disposal, luckily in today's world, that we can utilize right away from Amazon or whatever, and to help mitigate these stressors, for example, like Blue Shield, um, which helps.

So, it doesn't really, you can't really eliminate EMF, that's the philosophy of BlueShield, instead it creates a scalar kind of environment that's similar to nature, which has a specific algorithm that's constantly changing, and it, your body basically attunes EMF is so bad, It's the constant repetitiveness of that EMF that gets annoying to our body because if you go in nature, you know, the ocean is ebbing and flowing, the, the, and the trees and the woods are, uh, the leaves are, you know, rustling through the wind, from the wind.

Uh, you got the, even the crickets. Each cricket has different frequencies or, you know, maybe the cicadas are toxic. I don't know. They, they, you know, they get a little annoying sometimes, you know, frogs. I know my, my mom went nuts with, with frogs outside because they, my parents have a pool. So, you know, that can obviously make you go crazy. So not everything in nature is, you know, healthy or safe always. 

[00:40:26] Nathan: And that, I think that flows into the whole, your perspective. I think that's a big thing in our mental spiritual is just how we perceive our stress too. And that's where everything in our pillars is going to help you perceive stress better, hopefully.

That's the most important. And not reacting, you know, we still do it. We're not perfect. That's, Part of our journey here on earth is to continue to try to get better each and every day and learn from our past from sins and whatnot that we're committing or, you know, reacting or, or whatever it may be, whatever our issues are, we have to be start to become aware of what's causing us to These reactions or these frustrations in our life and why is it causing us that why do we react to certain things?

And most of the time it's our own problem It's ourself that we have to change and and how we can see things at a different viewpoint Look at things in a different way and just yeah how we react To it. I think we all do you know And I've just I've learned so much from my past of how I I can see myself Reacting less and less and just from, you know, just trying to be in the most humble point, just being the humblest person, you know, we just want to just look at our own self and see what's wrong with our own self.

And usually when we react, it's like, I don't know, there's an underlying cause. 

[00:41:41] Nick: Yeah, it's what is causing that? What's provoking that reaction? 

[00:41:47] Nathan: No, that's a good, that's a good point. What is causing that reaction? Yeah. Why is it ticking us off or why are we getting frustrated? It's usually we just need to either Yeah.

We need to humble ourself more. We need to just give more grace to that person and realize, whatever. I get frustrated sometimes when I drive on the road and I hate getting in traffic and I get frustrated and I just want to not be there. I'm like, why am I here in this? And it's usually trying to teach me something.

God's trying to teach me something where I need to be more patient or I need to just pray for somebody. I don't need to react, you know, because like I was just saying, it's, It's the now. I'm in the reality. This is reality. I can't put myself I can't teleport myself somewhere to get me out of my problem and our spiritual father says this all the time He's like you think moving or you're switching jobs or doing something different.

It's gonna make you happier It's not your problems are gonna follow you wherever you go. He says it it's like bearing down He's like when we start to get this This feeling of I just need to move and leave or switch jobs or, or change careers. It's like, no, we need to just go even harder at what we're doing and focus and stay it's stability almost is what the word is, is I'm trying to say is we just need that stability, um, in our life.

And I know we don't talk much about it in our pillar, cause it goes deep into like catechism and what we've learned. Cause that's still what we're learning on. So we're not like experts at it, but we believe the whole stability. Is a big portion, uh, importance to our life stability community. Of course, that's all incorporated into the mental and spiritual aspect. We think it's important. So 

[00:43:17] Nick: Yeah, you have, you have radicalism one end of the spectrum. We talked about that. That's an act of pride. That's the extreme extremism. Then you have a slow and steady consistency, stability. That's the opposite. That's what we're trying to achieve. And again, going back to the athlete comparison, like a bodybuilder, you can't force your muscles to To grow more than they can like you have to just be consistent That's the only way you can grow muscles or an athlete again It took what uh, usain bolt what like four years to shave off like a tenth a second on his time or something like that I mean, it's just it's that vision.

It's that goal and it's just being focused and present I'm reading this book on discipline. It's called the power of discipline. I said the other day and it's something like, uh, You know temptation is the enemy You of discipline, or it's just, it's what keeps us from being present, focused in discipline with what our goals, what we're trying to achieve.

So, you have to have these spiritual, mental, we call them spiritual, but we say mental too, because we don't want to freak anyone out with some type of like, you know, wishy washy kind of dogmatic belief system. Whereas it's like actual practical stuff that you, that's tangible, that you can actually utilize in your day to day life.

Again, we're not trying to push things unless they have some kind of application in your life. That's every pillar, everything we talk about. 

[00:44:38] Loren: Yeah, you make so many great points, and I kind of just want to touch upon a couple of them. Uh, I think Especially in regards to, like, feeling like you have to move on to that next job or, uh, you know, get out and do this workout.

It's kind of like a coping mechanism, I think. From what I've seen in my clients as well, uh, instead of just dealing with the actual problem at hand, they're seeking external sort of ways to kind of cope with their problems, which can lead to, you know, just Mind numbing themselves in a really difficult workout or throwing themselves into a really restrictive diet to distract themselves from the actual problem that is really underlying.

So I think that, you know, if you feel like you're somebody that is moving on from one thing to the next thing and not actually maybe dealing with those problems that it might be worth just pausing and just sitting with it for a little bit, no matter how uncomfortable it is. And that discomfort is why we choose to keep doing those things.

So we don't feel it, but you know, it's going to keep, like you said, it's going to keep chasing us if we don't address 

[00:45:52] Nathan: True. Yeah. That's yeah. Very well. How you explained it.

[00:45:58] Loren: I, you know, I, I used to coach CrossFit and I would see this all the time. Like, you know, we'd have people working in an office, just come into the gym and just be like, I'm just going to throw myself into this workout. I don't care what my form looks like. I just want to shut my brain off. And, um, you know, that's then run home, then deal with the home problems.

I know. And, uh, you It's, it's coping. And so, uh, it's, it's difficult to coach out of somebody, uh, or coach somebody on because you have to have the self awareness and be willing to address those things. And sometimes the answer is not what you have to offer. It's actually some other, you know, thing that they maybe don't want to dabble in, but it can be so worth it, uh, especially for long term health and wellbeing.

And I, I did also really love what you said about, um, the reaction. So I think definitely, you know, we're allowed to acknowledge our emotions. I think it's important information, but I think instead of reacting, responding, and I think that's what you were saying, is like just taking a an assessment of the situation and just kind of before you decide what to do, if anything, thinking about how you want to show up for this person, whether it be a prayer, or whether it be even just, Being nicer to them, understanding that they're the one reacting, you're the one responding.

Um, so, I think that's also really important too. And as you become more regulated, and I think this is ultimately what you're saying is, you have to learn how to regulate yourself, because everything else is out of your control. And, No one's gonna be responsible for regulating yourself except for you. I think that that's a problem I see a lot in now in today's society, especially on social media where people project their traumas or insecurities and They expect other people to take that on and to apologize for making them feel a certain way Then it's really the person who originally made the comment, it's their problem, that they have to work through.

And I, you know, when this happens, I try to have empathy for that person for, not necessarily for what, you know, I triggered them on, but for the dysregulation, they might be feeling in that place in life that they might be at, if that makes sense. 

[00:48:28] Nick: Yeah. Anxiety, right? They don't know how to control it.

[00:48:31] Loren: Right. So yeah, I kind of wanted to just go through those points because I think you brought up really great points. And the mental and spiritual aspect, I feel like, is just such a big part of healing and overall wellness. And so you would consider the mental and spiritual pillar of the Mitigate Stress philosophy the most important, right?

[00:48:54] Nathan: A hundred percent, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, it, it was the last pillar we kind of came across from wanting just truth and realizing, Yeah, we are here for a short time. This is a temporary life and that there are more important things to focus on as we believe as Orthodox Christians, we're just.

here passing by, you know, and, and yes, this life is a test for us to become holy. You know, that's, that's our, our goal here is, is to become like, I don't know, this may scare a lot of people, but like God, lowercase g, um, we're, we're made in the image of God. And that's why he created us is to have communion with him.

And just like I'm sure a lot of people we see on social media talk about how important community is. It is very important that we have a community because that is who God is. He's father, son, and Holy spirit. And he is a communion of persons. And that's essentially what we need here is a community with people.

And that's what we believe is found in the church. And. Yes, it can be found in people you live with, too, 

[00:50:06] Nick: wherever you are. Yeah, you can't isolate yourself. 

[00:50:09] Loren: The community aspect, too, I think is really important, especially, you know, in regards to fertility and motherhood. I think there are rising rates of postpartum depression, rising rates of antepartum depression, so anxiety during pregnancy.

Um, at least by default, I get a lot of questions about this and just, you know, we have diminishing rates of breastfeeding and, you know, I, I, it's a whole conversation, but a whole pan of worms, I think, but I think the structure of society has really not lent itself well to continuing many of these really important traditional and ancestral things that we have, that, that has allowed us to be here for so long, very quickly.

Uh, so, It's just a very interesting site. I think also the community aspect in the postpartum period, just relating it back to fertility, is one of the most difficult things. Because if you don't have a community, you know, they say it takes a village to raise a child. It really does. And that lack of community, or at least you can try to build a community.

Um, this is something I encourage my mothers to do, uh, prior to delivering so that they have resources and support. It can be really, really difficult on new parents if they don't have that support. And it can just really make or break parental experience and even relationships with husband and wife. Um, so yeah, I think community is super important. I love that you include that. 

[00:51:37] Nathan: Sure. Yeah. And one more thing, if you don't mind. I wanted to touch on what we were just talking about with the, uh, the whole sin and, and you know, confessing. I just wanted to add that in into there. It, it truly does. I can share my experience. It truly does take a, a huge weight off your shoulders.

It's just something you have, I think, experience yourself and yeah, it's, it's, that's why it's included into our pillars 'cause. You can be doing the nourishment. You can be doing all your great environmental stuff, uh, and moving, but you could still be having some sort of anxiety deep down in you, or you could be having some turmoil where it's just destroying your inner peace.

You know, we, that's what we're, we're taught is to always keep, keep your inner peace and don't let anything, you know, sway you off your, your inner peace because, you know, you have that control. We have that ability in our mind to not let it sway us off. So 

[00:52:33] Nick: And in James 5 16, you know for those Christians that may not believe that maybe a priest is important. Even still in James, he says to confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed I mean, it's it's so important.

It's it's essential. It's the foundation of Christianity. It's yet It's so overlooked the goal is really to sincerely intend to amend and make serious change like you're leaving to actually makes years change. Like, the thing is, we're in the process, we were saved, we're in the process of being saved, and we hope to be saved.

So it's a process of salvation, if you want to call that. And that being said, you're going to fall many times, and we have to, it's, what I learned early on is when we dwell on our, our sins or past, and this goes for everybody too, because we all have problems we, you know, we've done stuff, and we still think about them.

My spiritual father, he's like, it's like, oh, that's. That's the worst sin of all. That's, that's the utmost pride. I'm like, what are you talking about? I actually got offended because I was like, I was like, I feel so bad. I did this and that when I was younger. And, uh, he's like, no, that's not true Christianity.

He's like, that's actually you assuming that your sin is greater than God's grace. And it's, it's a form of pride because you think it's like, you can't get away from thinking about that. That's kind of what I think. Um, in my opinion, what I've seen with a lot of these communities, like you were just talking about trauma, it's kind of.

Uh, snuck its way in this, its own community, the trauma community, you could call it, and it's like, yes, we need to be present with that problem, that sin, whatever happened, whether it was to us or we did something to someone else. in the past. Um, and we have to pray about it. And yes, we can confess about it, but eventually we have to move forward and stop dwelling in the past.

Cause again, that's not reality. And that's what our spiritual father teaches us that sometimes the devil can, can make us, you know, dwell in our past and, you know, be stuck there and just a constant loop. So that's what we, hopefully that we, we explained confession and, uh, and like sin and stuff like that.

And kind of in a, uh, a realm of trauma that really layers to other people's lives who are watching this as well, because really it's all the same thing. It's just different wording. And hopefully you guys can take something home with that because we truly do believe that that has changed our lives so much.

It's, it's an incredible feeling. And, you know, of course we're not perfect. We constantly, you know, go through problems, but the, this is giving us the tools in our toolbox To help us from reacting too much from when we mess up or we do something or A stressful situation happens, etc. And it's just one part of the toolbox.

That's Helping us to be more sound and peaceful. But you know, I still driving, driving on the road and I, I flip someone off accidentally. I'm like, oh, geez, what am I doing? Like, you know, , we're not perfect. Yeah. 

[00:55:31] Loren: So, well, I love that. I love the, uh, genuineness that, uh, you, you are sharing and, um, it's definitely hopeful too, I think, you know, for, for anyone that might feel stuck. Like, 

[00:55:45] Nathan: yeah, 

[00:55:46] Loren: like you described. So I really appreciate that. All right, Nick and Nathan, it's been a pleasure talking with you. I have found this conversation so illuminating, and I know that the audience will as well. And I hope it's given you guys, the audience, some additional information to really think about, especially how all the pillars align, and especially the mental and spiritual side of things that you might be overlooking.

Uh, but I asked this question to everybody, so I would really love to hear from you. What is one thing that you would like to share with the audience that they can start doing today to unlock the innate wisdom of their body? And you've shared so much already. You know, definitely feel free to, uh, share. As simple or complex a thing as you'd like, but this podcast is about the innate wisdom of the body and I would love to hear from you if there's just one thing that could start today. What would that be? 

[00:56:45] Nathan: Forgiveness. Go ask for forgiveness from whoever it may be your siblings, your parents, your coworkers, somebody you despise, you know, go ask them someone you had an argument with a year or two ago. It could be anybody. But yeah, I think that's a good one. 

[00:57:03] Nick: Yeah, people need to. You gotta forgive. You gotta let go. Let go, let it flow, right? That's what everyone always says, so. But seriously, you gotta, you know, like, 

[00:57:12] Nathan: truly from the heart. It has to be from the heart, too. It can't just be a, you know, how you ask it, I think. Makes a difference, too. You know, you have to truly want to ask for forgiveness from somebody.

[00:57:22] Nick: Because that lack of forgiveness, that will show up in your relationships. That will, it's just creating more disunity and separation. And it just creates turmoil and physical problems as well. Like we talked about with that physical therapist I worked with, who was one of the best in the world I've ever met.

And, you know, this was before I was even Christian, understanding simple moral values, right? And that's what she said that, you know, she thinks a lot of these physical manifestations of, you know, poor posture are a direct result from just emotional trauma. Damage trauma, or oftentimes it's just us not forgiving people, having assumptions about people, and, and focusing too much on others, you know, rather than ourselves.

[00:58:08] Loren: Or is the opposite true? Focusing too much on ourselves, rather than others. 

[00:58:13] Nick: exactly. Yeah, it's, it's, it's not just so black and white and so simple. Exactly. Yeah, can't overlook that. That's, that's 100 percent true. Very good point. 

[00:58:23] Loren: Yeah, that's beautiful. I really love that. And I think forgiveness in general creates a more beautiful world. And I'm here for that. So thank you for that. So how can people find you and support you? 

[00:58:37] Nathan: Yeah, you can check out our website. It's www.mitigatestress.com. There we have our hydration guide. It's a free guide that goes over six different weeks. Uh, just taking you through simple exercises that I'm sure we've all done from standing to squatting to lunging to Hinging, picking something up.

Nick:But it's the cues. 

Nathan:Yeah, go ahead, Nick. It's the cues. Nick really took over that guide. He's mainly in the videos there. I'm not too much in the videos, but.

[00:59:05] Nick: It's, it's, um, it's designed to prepare you for, it's everything we talked about in a guide, and we're always optimizing it because it's, it's, it's kind of like a annoying thing because it's not where we want it to be, but it's, it's the best version yet, of course.

But we're always trying to make it more sustainable, more realistic, more practical. And it's just. We're trying to hydrate people again through nourish, uh, mobility movement. And a lot of it is through these movements, because if you can't do these basic foundational movements, like you can't. Lunge to pick something up.

You have knee pain, you can't bend over and hinge without having back pain. Without having back pain. That's gonna affect a lot in your body. And you know, we talk about a little bit about hot baths and walking and the fat formulas as well as minerals, and we just are constantly trying to optimize it to where it's just super simple, clear cut.

Straightforward and again, yields the most results. But it's something that we want everybody to get on. 'cause it's a foundation no matter what program you're in, whether you are doing CrossFit or bodybuilding or combat sports, or you're just a single dude who has a really active career 

[01:00:25] Nathan: or, um, you're trying to get pregnant.

 

[01:00:25] Nick: Trying to get pregnant. Yeah. It's, it's lowering stress. It's increasing hydration. 

[01:00:26] Nathan: Which only gonna help, yeah, like what you talk about, you know, to nourish your body, you're, you're about to have a, another child, you want your body is nourished and just, you know. And the best possible, uh, what am I trying to say, position, you want to create as much space.

I even noticed it with my wife, like, and all these different people. There's, I don't know, a handful of people that are pregnant at our church and constantly new, newborns being born every month at our church. It's an amazing sight to see, but you see a lot of people with these issues they go through and And we truly believe our, our guide is can help females go through pregnancy and have less pain and be able to be more mobile and create more space for your baby because a lot of things get crushed upon or you have sciatica or you're, you're going to the bathroom every five minutes, you know, it's, I think a lot of these things we We cannot see as much.

I don't know if we're going to fix it 100%. I have no idea, but I think it's going to help. We hope it will. It will. Yeah, it will help. No matter we talk about it on our website, no matter your goal, whatever you're trying to achieve, this guide is there as a foundation and can help Whatever your goal is. Um, so yeah, give it a shot and put your heart into it and try it.

If you have any questions, just feel free to reach out. We're here to, we're here to help you. 

[01:01:43] Nick: One more thing too. The free hydration guide is going to go into a paid membership, which is going to be our walking membership. So. We want to have like a, um, a membership where people, it was closed off and we could share a lot more in depth information without, you know, people swaying other people and trying to, uh, 

[01:02:00] Nathan: you know, disagree with other, you know, Instagram's crazy. There's professionals everywhere. So we want it to be more. You know, simple like that, which that's, that's the point of the, the hydration guide is it's the foundation. Again, no matter what you're doing, you should be doing these things like the myofascial release. It's the ultimate recovery. And that's, what's going to prepare you for our walking, uh, membership.

So that's coming soon. Be on the lookout for that. 

[01:02:22] Loren: I love that. Thank you so much for breaking that down and definitely everyone go check out those resources that they mentioned and Nick and Nate, thank you so much for being here today. It was a pleasure having you. 

[01:02:34] Nick: Loren, thank you for having us on. Thank you so much.

[01:02:36] Loren: Absolutely. We'll stay in touch.

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