Innate Wisdom Podcast

What It's About:

Join Loren Sofia, Functional Fertility Coach and owner of Innate Fertility, and Tiffany, over at @toxinfree.tiffany as they discuss living a less toxic lifestyle, from not just the physical side of things, but the emotional and mental side too. In this episode, you’ll learn about:

-Tiffany’s nontoxic journey
-Toxins and pregnancy
-Primary toxins we’re being exposed to daily 
-The huge toxin you’re probably missing
-How mindset plays a role in detoxing
-Learning how to compromise with your partner when making non-toxic choices for your family
-Toxins to avoid and their alternatives 
-Navigating pregnancy loss
-What you should eat to support detox
-Self-forgiveness and compassion: important detox ingredients
-Vaccinations for children
-Simple and easy steps to create a less toxic life

Transcript:

[00:00:00] Loren: Welcome to the Innate Wisdom Podcast. I'm your host, Lauren Sophia, healer of my own fertility and health struggles, mother, functional fertility coach to thousands of women, and owner of Innate Fertility. I believe your body is innately wise, and so is your fertility. Sometimes we just need the tools to unlock it in abundance.

I'm honored to guide you through each episode where we'll cover not just fertility, but how to rediscover the innate wisdom of your body. Restore your connection with your physiology bioenergetics and metabolism and get back in touch with mother nature and ancestral traditions

I'm so excited about today's episode because not only am I talking to my friend tiffany at toxin free tiffany on instagram She's so sweet genuine and real But we're talking about going non toxic. Now this isn't just your typical discussion about non toxic products and such. Of course, we definitely cover that.

However, what I think you'll find different and hopefully enjoyable about our conversation is that we get real about how to actually do this without going insane. Because literally, Everything is toxic if you've asked anyone, and also no one talks about the financial implications or relationship aspects much about going non toxic either.

And honestly, a lot of non toxic influencers are toxic. Let's be real. So, reducing toxins and optimizing your detox pathways It is a cornerstone of optimizing your fertility, preparing for pregnancy, and also surviving the huge hormonal shift postpartum, in my opinion. Doing this may also save you from pregnancy complications related to stagnant detox.

So, toxins and detoxing, they're very important. Especially while I was on birth control too, my detox pathways were super taxed and supporting them is something that I worked on not only to get super fertile, but to also keep myself healthy during pregnancy because also of my mother's history with preeclampsia, I wanted to put in extra work to make sure my detox pathways were firing on all cylinders so that I could avoid it myself as much as possible during my pregnancy.

So. Detox is also one of the key things I teach my clients and core students and how to do it right because a lot of people You know will tell you to take this supplement and that supplement and you know do this and that but there's actually a really important and very specific order that detox should be taking place if you're pushing detox and I I also teach you how to do this without losing your mind because I think there's a ton of fear mongering too around toxins in the wellness space and I really want to simplify it as much as possible to make it super easy for you.

And I think there are a lot of other ways to approach it, especially in a more constructive way rather than like, you know, this is toxic, you should be scared and remove it from your body. Uh, so buckle up and enjoy the episode. We're going into all these specific things and I really hope you enjoy hearing from Tiffany.

All right. Well, I'm so excited today to welcome Tiffany from Toxin Free Tiffany, as she's known as on Instagram. Welcome, Tiffany, to the Innate Wisdom podcast. Hi, Lauren. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to have you. I so appreciate your presence and your energy. Uh, you know, in the what can be sometimes like an overwhelming place that is social media.

So I love what you have to say. And I'm super excited about our conversation today. Well, the feeling is mutual, so thank you. Thank you. Well, I'd love to start by asking you, you know, what is your story and what led you to doing sort of the work you do today or showing up the way you do today? 

[00:03:58] Tiffany: Motherhood in a nutshell.

So I was pregnant with my first daughter and I really thought I had a. A decent grip on health and wellness. I knew I wasn't the best, but toward the end of my pregnancy, I started going down the CDC childhood schedule. And for some reason, this was my, I don't know, it took so much of my time. It took so much of my, my intellectual energy and I really was pouring over it.

And it was just. It's, it's fun. It's not funny to me, but it's interesting to me because I have had events in my life where it could have and should have been a wake up call for me. But I think, um, and I know your listeners understand about the nervous system and stuff. I think for so much of my life, I was just in survival mode.

I was comfortable with my status quo with my health, and I just was holding it all together in a sense. So even if I had a healing crisis or. I lost a family member to cancer, um, before becoming a mother, it wasn't enough to stop me in my tracks and to make me start reading everything. And um, you know, I had a hospital birth planned, which I did go through with, I had the pitocin, I had the epidural, you know, my daughter, there was a vacuum involved.

There was continuous fetal monitoring involved where she had the screw in her head, you know, so I went into birth very mainstream. And in the weeks. That followed her birth. I started reading about ingredients and everything. Of course, you don't want to use the laundry detergent that's going to irritate your baby's skin.

And it just felt like I was drinking from a fire hose in terms of things that could hurt my baby. And there were a few interesting things, like during my pregnancy, I had this very strange, intuitive feeling to stop painting my nails. And, um, I always, I, I think my toes had been painted continuously for about 10 years.

You know, I just, I was the nail painting girl. Um, but it was just this very strong feeling to stop. To stop painting my nails. And so I did, I thought, okay, I'm going to stop. And then of course, later only to be confirmed that the chemicals are detrimental, especially to fertility. So just some really interesting moments like that.

So I guess that that's my, that kicked off, you know, my passion for it. And then, you know, finding out of course, people's lives to have been changed for the worse because of these chemicals that are allowed in our, um, you know, personal care products, food, medical products, it kind of. lit a fire in me. I think I had some passionate energy that probably manifested itself in anger, like righteous anger for a while.

Since then I've cooled down a bit, but I think I brought that, that righteous anger to, to Instagram one day when I, I was not trying to gain a big following. I had a thousand followers who were friends and family who probably all thought that I had lost my mind. And I just, you know, started. Posting things like I think this is really interesting.

I think this is very weird. I think this is uncanny. I think Why why is it like this, you know and just asking questions that don't have Answers. Um, so yeah, that's how, and then of course, larger accounts who I didn't even know of started resharing my stuff and I just thought, Oh no, everyone can see my last name.

I have to change my Instagram. You know, it was all kind of really fast, but, um, but yeah, just motherhood and this kind of mama bear instinct that came out, you know, for my baby and for other people's babies and a protective instinct for, for mamas and for people not to experience certain things that I've experienced as well.

[00:07:37] Loren: I think that's beautiful. And I think certainly. You know, you're not alone in sort of like motherhood being the point of time where things just light a fire, you know, and yeah, I love that you not only are so passionate about the topics, but also helping share the information so that others can benefit and, you know, make decisions that are right for them too.

Uh, and so. Just helping other mothers. And I think that's beautiful too. 

[00:08:09] Tiffany: Yes. I mean, we hear a lot about like mom shaming and, Oh, it's so competitive and, and this and that. And I just think it is, it's a jungle out there, you know, and to share information in a way that's just empowering, informative, loving.

It's what I wanted, you know, right when, when I first had my daughter. So I hope to be adding some, you good energy out into the world for sure. 

[00:08:32] Loren: Yes, I can feel it for sure. Yeah, well, on that note, you know, you're all about reducing toxins in your environment, your life, and If anyone were to go to your page, they would realize that it's both about literally and metaphorically reducing toxins.

So ideas and messages. And I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind sharing what are some of the primary toxins that we're exposed to on a daily basis, both literally and metaphorically, especially ones that we might not even realize that we're being exposed to that we. might want to be aware of. 

[00:09:16] Tiffany: Um, for me, interestingly, I'll start, I guess I can only speak to my experience, but the most toxic thing in my life has that I've had to heal from and constantly be vigilant about is my own stress and my own responses to things, including being stressed about what is in The stuff in my house.

I mean, it's hard because some people can't control how much stress they have in their life, their job or whatever. But I do feel like that is something that once I got that piece, my health started to improve even more. Um, and my life improved, my outlook improved. Um, also that bleeds into healthy boundaries and healthy relationships with people just kind of.

Not wanting to save people, not wanting to control people, but letting people, you know, make their own choices and not feeling stressed out about others. Choices in their lives during the pandemic. There were so many people messaging me utterly distraught. I mean losing sleep Nauseous giving themselves like digestive problems because they had family members who were not taking Certain health advice and I just I had to keep telling people there's no article or Podcast or anything that you can send people that's going to change their mind and you are hurting yourself by wanting to control and by stressing out about it.

So that, that's hard. You know, I think for people in the holistic world, cause we do, we want people to experience the abundance and the peace and the health that comes with a conscious life. But that for me has been pretty profound. And then of course. I started with anything that touches, you know, that goes into my body, like food and water and air as well, um, with, you know, air purifiers in the home and then anything that touches my body in terms of lotions, soaps.

Um, et cetera, just getting familiar with different brands as well as different ingredients. It can feel very overwhelming. And I do think that people, especially moms, they find out about all the junk that's in our products, especially in the U S and they want to go throw things away and start from scratch and start over.

And it's again, like a very high stress response. And so what I've tried to encourage. People to do because they come to my page and they're like, what's the best sunscreen? What's the best this? Well, a really wonderful sunscreen might cost $40 a kind of decent sunscreen. That's a mineral sunscreen that might have some core cloggers and might not be the best, but it's benzene free.

It might cost $7. So to have people stressing so horribly over, Oh my gosh, I'm giving my children cancer. If I cannot get this $40 sunscreen, you know, like that's. That's what I don't want for people in the space. I want Peace. I want empowerment. I want knowledge. So I think, um, and it does affect people's finances, which can be a huge stress on marriages and in home.

So anyway, the stress, the stress component is so interwoven that it's like if you're detoxifying your home and you're buying a mold testing kit and you're getting a water purifier because you've read that chlorine contributes to cancer and bladder cancer and all the rest. Just, you Remember to breathe.

Remember, it's a journey. Remember not to stress out. It's a, it's a lot of different components that we have to be mindful of. And we have to check in with ourselves to remind ourselves that we're safe, that life is a journey. There is the perfection is a mirage. It's an illusion and it's okay. You know, start.

where you are, use what you have and that's okay too. So that's hopefully the message that I sent on my platform. 

[00:13:14] Loren: I love that message. I think especially in the wellness space, it's so easy to feel like you're not doing enough, that everything is Basically toxic and out to get you and, uh, you know, but just continuing to use certain things will hurt you and, you know, you lose sleep over it and then it's almost like the pursuit of wellness becomes, you know.

unhealthy, which is the opposite effect that, you know, you would typically think it would have, but it becomes a more dysregulated almost reaction. Uh, and our pursuit creates more dysregulation. So I feel like that's a really important message to remember. And I love that you share that because I think, especially in my world, which is so fertility focused, are so hard on themselves and they think like, Oh, my toothpaste is the reason why I'm not pregnant yet or, you know, or they will be having fear around eating conventional foods during pregnancy because they're scared to consume the microplastics that might be in it or something.

Right. And I think when we go to that, those places, I think what Tiffany said, just remember that. You have to have compassion for yourself and also trust that, trust in, you know, whatever your spirituality is, the universe, God, you're not alone, free falling, and that there is a sort of path as well in regards to our journeys and, um, that there is something, some kind of protection to offer.

that we're receiving and we kind of have to trust in that too and focusing on the things that you can control because you can't control everything and the man upstairs makes the decisions ultimately. I agree. I do love that you can appreciate how much peace and abundance, you know, a less toxic life can bring, you know, somebody.

And I, so I think that that balance is really, really difficult to achieve. Uh, so for anyone that's like spiraling out there, I hope that this conversation helps bring you towards a more centered space because There are so many things that we can choose to spend our time and energy on, but don't forget to spend the time and energy on things that are really, really important to like your family and relationships and your mental health too.

Thanks for sharing that too. I love that perfection is an illusion also. Um, many women are type A, many of you listening. And so I think that, you know, Well, it's very admirable and there is a lot of benefit to, you know, having this proactive energy and proactive mindset. Just know that perfection is often, there's so many sayings about perfection too.

I can't remember them all right now, but there are some really good ones. And, uh, I think one of the most important ones is progress, not perfection. Uh, because if you try to achieve perfection, you're going to go insane because it's not achievable. But. Progress for what it means for you on your journey and your individual circumstances, because like you said, Tiffany, that 40 sunscreen might just not be in reach, but maybe after you finish that bottle of, you know, I don't want to say a specific brand, but conventional sunscreen, you can go for a, an affordable mineral one, and that will be great.

And so there are different. ways to gauge improvement for yourself. 

[00:16:59] Tiffany: I absolutely agree. And that is something that I do tell people, you know, when you want to replace items and level up, please don't go through your whole house and throw out all of the, you know, Clorox and fabuloso and Pantene and just chuck it all at once and go spend hundreds of dollars replacing everything, especially like, you know, cosmetics can be such an expensive one as well.

And It can make you feel bankrupted and overwhelmed and like you're just this Tasmanian devil with this energy, this very frantic energy of like, if I don't do this right now and it's really not like that. And it's, you know, small steps, small bites over time that add up to a big difference and you start getting used to, you know, the more ingredients you read and you start to recognize them and it's, it's a journey and it's.

Over time, you'll be able to pick something up and go, you know, I still do it with my husband. He's like, Oh, is this, is this a good thing? And I'm like, babe, are you, is this a joke? Like where's the hidden camera? But of course he trusts me to buy the stuff. So over time you, you get used to. The ingredients and you know which ones are the big no nos and which ones are kind of eh, you know, and it just, it takes time.

[00:18:07] Loren: Yeah. Have patience with yourself too. It's definitely takes time to become familiar also with what to look out for and what you can sort of have a lot of wiggle room. And there's, there's a lot of gray, you know, so instead of 

[00:18:24] Tiffany: And even within a home, I want to say there's grace as much as I'm like, have grace with yourself.

And I'm joking about it. Oh, my husband doesn't even know. But it is funny because a lot of women message me like, Oh, my husband is so not on board. He doesn't understand. He doesn't care. He said he feels fine using these conventional products. And I'm just like, Let him. You're not his mother. He is a grown up and my husband and I think it's so not on brand But I think it's important to show the nuance to say that my husband loves Pantene shampoo.

He uses it I had no idea what it's doing to his sperm count. He impregnated me a lot of times. So I think it's okay And he loves tide. He's not going to stop using tide or gain. And it's, and we've had a conversation about it. And I said, Hey, I will fold your laundry for you. I will do your laundry lovingly with devotion.

If you just use a different, you know, use my detergent. And he's like, babe, I don't want you to help me. I want to use my toxic detergent. And it's just this funny thing of life that I'm sure it seems hypocritical that, you know, toxin free Tiffany has tied in her house, but it's just, there is nuance in every marriage and every family.

You have to do what works for the people in the house. Of course, I make the decisions for myself and my daughters. He's super cool with that. He loves that for us. Um, and he's incredibly supportive, but for himself, he likes. the fragrance and he is a 41 year old man and I'm not gonna begrudge him the things that he likes.

So it's just life is funny that way sometimes. 

[00:20:00] Loren: I think that's a really, thank you for sharing that too, by the way, because it can, you know, I think it just shows how not simple to as it may seem, um, and that the right answer may not necessarily be what you think it is. Uh, and I think in any relationship and any marriage and any partnership, especially in regards to fertility to that comes up a lot.

And, you know, you have to figure out what you and your partner are willing to do and not willing to do and what you will support each other on as well. Um, and this doesn't, doesn't apply to toxins. This applies to just so much. Yes. And so, you know, I think that that that's a beautiful way of just.

Highlighting that again. Perfect. You might think that perfect means completely toxin free out of the house. But for your situation, toxin free means many compromises as well. And that's okay. That's okay. It's just about doing your best in your situation. Yeah, that's awesome. Well, you know, you mentioned a couple of things like detergent and shampoo and cosmetics.

So, um, Those kinds of categories of things, are there any others that you would consider important to kind of be aware of on a daily basis or, you know, in, in life? 

[00:21:27] Tiffany: I think I kind of start with Anything, like I said, like food that you consume, water that you consume, then things that touch your body and then things that you're going to touch like cleaners.

So they're not, if you're pouring it on your floor, it's not necessarily touching your body, but it's going to touch the bottoms of your feet. You're going to smell it. Beyond that, I'm not the person who can afford a several thousand dollar green mattress. For example, there are people who Think that that is something a that they can afford and be that they are going to invest in now.

Do I see the benefit of, you know, an organic cotton mattress. I totally do. But if things like this are out of people's reach, I'm also I'm the kind of person who I'll buy an organic cotton mattress. Mattress topper, or I'll let the mattress kind of air out in a room for a little while if it's new for a few days or a week, and then I'll top it with an organic cotton mattress topper, and I'll just think like, okay, this is my best, you know, for this situation.

So you can, there are also car seat companies that do non toxic, you know, wool blend, the fabric is like a wool blend on the car seat. So they're really. It's 2023 is a wonderful time to be alive in, in terms of the non toxic options and you can really go big if you want. Um, some, another thing that's an easier, cheaper thing is glass Tupperware, not using a lot of plastic for the endocrine disruption and stuff.

Um, whenever something says BPA free plastic. I I'm of the mind that it's mostly marketing. If it's plastic, I just don't like it. Um, so I do avoid plastic whatever, you know, they Like marketing things they've slapped on it. I'm just I'm still going to get the glass tupperware So there are still things that are affordable ways that you can quote detoxify your home So yeah, and then even things like air purifiers.

I know that it feels to me like sometimes There are the favorite brand of all the influencers. Maybe this brand has the best affiliate program. You know, I don't know. And then it's, it's an expensive one. And so you're just like, man, can I find another air purifier? That's high quality, but that's not at this price point.

And yes, you know, so that's the beauty of this lifestyle too, is like, if you're 10 favorite influencers are all telling you to get the same, you know, You know, air purifier, you can still research on your own and find a really good air purifier that fits your budget. And that is going to purify the air in your home and you can fill it with plants as well.

Some living plants are good air purifiers. So, um, so those are some things to think of, but there are all, there are different price points, you know, so a lot of people say that a non toxic lifestyle is out of reach for a lot of people, but there's a lot. Of wiggle room, like you said, for me, like the mattress thing and then to buy an organic cotton mattress topper.

And then for something like, um, an air purifier, instead of buying the really most expensive one that's touted by all the influencers, just to kind of do your own research, strike out on your own. And it's okay if you buy one, that's a brand. That you haven't seen, you know, promoted on Instagram, but if it's within your price point and you research the filtration system, you know, whatever it is inside.

And you're like, this is a really good one actually. And you've bought a few live plants to stick around your house. That's a good way to detoxify the air in your home. And you don't have to feel like, Oh man, I didn't get the fancy one that everyone is saying to buy. Um, you know, there's no shame in not getting the top of the line.

Most expensive everything all the time. 

[00:25:04] Loren: Oh, totally. And it's, you know, the wellness industry is an industry. So I think that's really important to remember as well. Well, there are good intentions behind it. You know, at the end of the day, a company that creates a device It's going to have to make money and there are a bunch of ones that also take advantage of a specific trend or a specific health issue.

So I think it's really important to kind of navigate, uh, with this, this sort of like quest for a cleaner quote unquote life, uh, with that kind of discernment that you mentioned because there are. Very affordable alternatives like plants, for example, I don't have a pair of air purifier in my office. One day I will, but I've chosen to have plants like you suggested.

Exactly. It's perfect. Yeah. And they're more aesthetically for me. They feel they make me, they also bring me other pleasures. Like the way that they look and you know, the kind of having a piece of nature inside. So they help me stay grounded in a sense. Uh, so I think that that's beautiful. And I, I think the other piece of what you were saying too, is that it's, you don't have to boil the ocean all at once.

It's about prioritizing what you want to invest in as well. So if you deem, you know, that you want this water filter, And you're having to choose between that and like a mattress, for example, what is going to work for you the best, you know, financially make sense, what do you feel like you utilize more, what's most important to you, and that can be a hard thing to navigate to, but it's not necessarily about having all the things, but prioritizing where you invest as well, if you do have, you know, funds to play around with, or um, Yeah.

Less fun to play around with. I think we forget that even, even those of us that have been sort of, uh, in this wellness space for a while, it can be easy to see the shiny new bright object and, uh, get distracted as well. For sure. Well, Tiffany, one of the things that I also really appreciate about your Your page and you know, what you share is your openness about your pregnancy losses and I would love to just dive into this topic if you are comfortable and yeah, and to see if there were any sort of realizations or changes that you made in regards to toxins or anything else.

Um, that supported you in getting pregnant with your second, lots of changes. 

[00:27:49] Tiffany: Um, my losses came out of nowhere, both of them, which the second one should not have felt like it came out of nowhere, but it did because like I kind of mentioned at the beginning with my first daughter, I wasn't into a holistic lifestyle at all.

I was on birth control for over a decade, hormonal, like the pill I, I got off of it and I conceived three months later. And I had a relatively healthy pregnancy and a relatively straightforward, albeit very medicalized birth. And so I just thought, Oh, I'm normal. Like here I am skirting past all of the, you know, all the stuff.

And then we started trying, it took us a while, um, but I was still breastfeeding. And so I chalked it up to that. We tried for about a year, got pregnant and had it. I had an early miscarriage within the first trimester and I was shocked. Um, I miscarried the day we drove out to the beach, um, and took pictures.

My sister came with us and we took pictures for our birth announcement. Um, and my daughter was wearing a shirt that said, I have a secret. I'm going to be a big sister. And we got home and I started bleeding. Um, and it just felt like terrible. And we had just that same day we called my in laws who are in England.

Thank you. We called them from the beach and told them. Um, so the timing was very, um. You know, just a gut punch and it just was this awful and I'm sure anyone who has experienced it can think can can relate that you're just like, Oh, my God, please. No, please. Like the denial of it. It's just like, I don't, I don't want this story.

And you had all these hopes and dreams and it's so beautiful. And, um, so for me, it was very, and as a person who does have faith. And also, as a person who believes that every human life is sacred, it was very, um, It was a time for me to lean into my faith. And then over time I rationalized it and I thought, okay, our bodies are smart.

You know, something, something happened. I don't know what happened, but something happened. And then we got pregnant the following month. So I didn't even have a cycle. Um, and I got pregnant again. And so of course I was just like, Oh, phew, I don't have to suffer that long. I don't have to grieve that long, even though that was In an unrepeatable human life, and I will forever wonder about who that baby would have been.

Um, and then I started taking progesterone, prescribed by my, by a gynecologist. And this pregnancy lasted a couple of weeks longer, and I miscarried again. And I just thought, oh my god, I was, I was really, like, stripped away of everything that I had taken for granted about my health, about my fertility, because I really thought I was kind of beating the odds as far as someone who had experienced some health problems, been on birth control for a long time, had a history of alcohol use.

Um, and just, and I know a lot of people like that because it's normal life, you know, and I really just thought I, I would kind of be okay and be able to have the life that I wanted. Um, and here everything was coming, crashing down. And at this point I was already a mother and I had already been speaking out on Instagram about certain ingredients being in injections and, you know, Cleaning up your lifestyle and living a healthier lifestyle.

So here I was feeling like a fraud, you know, and even though I had stopped, had since long since stopped the alcohol use and had been cleaning up my life. Here are these effects, you know, coming years down the line, which is so unfortunate that future me had to pay the price for past me. But I do think a lot of people.

find themselves in that boat where their past choices catch up with them years later. And that's when I had to re evaluate the fact that I had chosen to have a vegan diet since my oldest was born and I thought to myself, is this still serving me? I was craving cheese really badly during both pregnancies.

And I did blood work with a doctor who he's now retired. He was one of the good ones, but he said, Oh, my gosh, your thyroid is whacked out and you need iodine. Like right now, like yesterday, you need like you're deficient and you're deficient in a few more things. He said, but the iodine, you need it. Cause your thyroid hormone needs it.

And so you're, you're deficient. And then the progesterone was so low because my cholesterol was, was not there, the fats, the healthy fats. So while I had gone vegan after my first daughter was born, because I thought it was the healthiest and I thought it was, you know, all the buzzwords, like the least inflammatory, the least mucus forming, you know, like all these things, the cleanest, you know, and living in the South.

People are very, you know, a lot of fried food, a lot of bad oils. So I just thought, Oh, fruits and vegetables, obviously it's the most healthy. You know, everyone around me is eating like. Um, smoke meats and this and that, and everyone is having these like lifestyle diseases. I'll do the opposite of what everyone around me is doing, and I'll be so healthy.

And it turned out I needed the fat and I needed the minerals and the fat soluble vitamins. So I changed my diet and started eating eggs every single day. I started eating butter every single day. I got really. Real about my sleep and how little of it I was getting and not not because of my daughter But even just things that I think a lot of women do which is the sleep revenge Procrastination of I didn't get any time by myself today.

So I'm gonna stay up and Do XYZ and for me I would justify it by doing things that were Cool. I got a job working for my friend's company in France, doing, doing translations for her and translating their website and having calls with the office at 2 a. m. And I was like, man, I feel like I've got something cool going on for me.

I'm talking to grownups. I'm using my talent. Um, but, and I was. Had that buzz that adrenaline buzz of like, Ooh, I'm doing something productive, but it was the middle of the night when I really needed to be sleeping. And so looking back after my losses, I was like, Oh man, I wasn't nourishing my body. I was not sleeping.

I was not allowing my body to do the system maintenance that it needs to do for a third of my life every night while I sleep and rest. Um, and then the stress, of course, the losses were in 2020. When the world was going crazy and I was consuming so much media, just like many people, especially in the holistic world.

And I was letting my energy be, for lack of a better word, harvested from me by being angry and being afraid. So those were the changes that I made my diet, managing my social media, managing not what I was eating. Just eating, but managing what I was consuming in terms of fear and then being so strict about my sleep.

And then nine months later, which is so symbolic of, you know, a rebirth, um, in a sense, and nine months later I conceived my, my second daughter and had a beautiful, healthy pregnancy, um, and a beautiful home birth. And it was very, the whole experience was extremely growing, um, humbling. And at the end, very redemptive.

Um, but it was, whew, it was a journey.

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I certainly do. And I just want to kind of highlight a couple things that you shared too, because I think they're really important messages. You have so much wisdom that just, just comes out so naturally. And I, I really, yeah, I really think that it's just so helpful, uh, for, for other women to hear. So. And I just also want to just highlight how within all of this grief you still had so much self awareness that is just a really difficult thing to kind of stay clear on.

Uh, grief can be so heavy and so all consuming and, you know, it's okay if you have experienced that or are experiencing that now. Uh, so, you know, this, this self awareness, so it's very interesting that it was able to come out during these times. And that reflection process was also able to come out during this time.

Um, so I think that that is really interesting. Definitely not everyone's experience, but I do think that sometimes the tragedies in our lives, maybe are a forcing function for self awareness or self reflection and sort of a catalyst for a new perspective or change. And with that in itself is a bit of a rebirth of a mental rebirth in a sense.

And so I think another thing that you said too was really focusing on and honing in on what is right for you. You know, you mentioned you had been on the vegan diet and You thought it was the healthiest for you. And because there was so much out there that says it's healthy and anti inflammatory. And I think this is another important piece because you have to discern what is right for you versus what is trendy or right for somebody else.

And I think within the wellness space, it's so easy to kind of fall into that trap. Oh, this person Looks healthy. I'm gonna do what they're doing. And I think that well, it's definitely beautiful to look at other people's experiences and take them in and we can learn from each other. Absolutely. But having that internal compass of what is is right for me and will this actually be beneficial for me?

Um, and I think you were able to figure that out as well. And I resonated with it so much because I, myself, was on a vegan diet in my early twenties, late teens, early twenties. And, uh, it wasn't until I was off the diet that, um, I truly realized how incompatible it was for me. I lost my cycle completely. Uh, I started, uh, developing adult acne.

And, you know, if you are familiar with the female cycle, I know you are Tiffany, but anyone listening, it's really important. It's a biological marker and that was just completely gone. So, um, The future you paying for past you, I want to navigate this with care because I think that it isn't until we experience hardship that a lot of things change and like you mentioned that from the beginning of this conversation, you know, how you experienced many different sort of points where you could have listened, but you didn't, but until it happens to you directly, Typically, you don't have an incentive to change things, uh, and so I think becoming more attuned with those signs can be very helpful.

But I also do want to say that it's important to not ruminate or to blame yourself, uh, or to become this, uh, Oh, it's my fault. This is happening because of me. I should have done this. I should have done that. Uh, you know, it's, it's all my fault. I should be a better person. I should be so much shame, you know, regret, all these really negative emotions really all consume as well.

Those can hinder progress too. So While it's okay to feel shame here and there, it's okay to regret here and there. If you can then shift your perspective and focus on the here and now, I think that is the most productive because You can't change what you can't change. That's all in the past. And, you know, you, we were talking about that earlier, too, how you were mentioning, it's not about control or, you know, worrying so much about the things that you can't control because the things that you've done in the past, too, they're no longer in your control.

They're done. They're written in history. And so to not just be the scapegoat of you. you know, what's happening and to also, I think that's also part of like not letting yourself become the victim as well. Uh, because you are still in power, you are empowered to make positive choices moving forward and things that will benefit you and different choices.

So, um, I think those are like, The most really profound things that I pulled from from your message, and, um, I don't know if you have anything else to add, but I really appreciate all that. 

[00:42:26] Tiffany: It does. Well, you just made me think of this quote that says, forgive yourself for not knowing what you didn't know before you learned it.

And I think it's so important, just like we've been saying to almost talk to yourself. The way that you would talk to a friend, you know, someone maybe who had made a poor decision or our, our children. And, um, I know this kind of goes along with your past podcasts about, um, you know, conscious parenting and healing and, and stuff, but the way that we reparent ourselves to.

And help us propel forward into our lives with peace while taking responsibility for things while also not condemning ourselves. So it's that, okay, well, that wasn't great, but just like you said, where do we, what's next? Like, where do we go from here? We've, we've made peace with it. We know why it happened.

We know what happened. You know, we're in control moving forward. Let's do the next thing that we know is the right thing or the thing that we've learned. Let's put it into practice and keep our head up and, and keep going. 

[00:43:29] Loren: I think that's a beautiful reminder, Tiffany, that, you know, it's really important to not only be there for your friends, be there for your children, but to also be there for yourself as well and have compassion for, you know, your past self, however old you were and whatever you knew.

Thank you. Yeah, Tiffany, I know that you have also experience with vaccinations. That's one of the things that you shared at the beginning of our conversation that kind of sparked your journey into this world. And I am just wondering if you wouldn't mind sharing kind of Your current, I guess, knowledge on vaccinations and maybe even experience with vaccinations as well.

I know that I have my own personal experiences as, as well on this topic that I can share too. And I'm just curious if you, if you wouldn't mind expanding upon that topic, anything you feel comfortable sharing. 

[00:44:32] Tiffany: I think like most people in this country, I was. Vaccinated as a child. It was just, I have recollection, like memories of going to the doctor and getting my vaccines.

When we got pregnant with our first daughter, we thought we would do a delayed schedule. You know, that was the kind of middle of the road. We still wanted to be normal thing that we thought we were going to do. And towards the end, either the very end of my pregnancy, or maybe even, I, she may have even been born, but I was, we went to the pediatrician with her.

So she was, she was here. She was out of my body. And we asked the pediatrician, what causes SIDS? And the pediatrician said, it's something that just happens and you can't control it. And there's no use learning about it, fretting about it. And I just thought, uh, there's a reason for everything just because someone doesn't know the reason.

So I thought to myself, well, I'm going to, I'm going to get to the bottom of it. I'm going to figure it out. And this was 2017. So probably Predating a lot of the censorship that's happened in the last few years. And I typed in on my Google browser, SIDS and, and I just let the returns come up just to see what popped up.

And then top hit was SIDS and vaccines and my stomach absolutely dropped. And the first document that I read, and now this is like coming at it, knowing nothing. This was, I was looking for information, very, very beginner, very, Um, someone had recommended Bob Sears book to me and I hadn't even read the whole thing.

You know, I hadn't gone into any of the other books. I was just me and my phone. And I, there was a court document about a baby named BJ Boatman who passed away following his routine, multiple vaccines. And it was his court documents with the HHS and how his parents. One, the most piric victory ever because their baby was gone, but one in vaccine court and with medical witnesses present, it was proven that he would have been alive and well, if it weren't for these vaccines.

And it's just such a slum dog millionaire moment because my biological father is a lawyer. My mom worked in. Yeah. Law firms for a very long time. And it, you know, like I'm sitting here reading this document. I worked as a researcher in Washington DC for a law firm. My boss was an economist, you know, so I think a lot of times when moms start to go down this rabbit hole and we start to read court documents and we start to read inserts and we start to read ingredients, there's a lot of belittling that comes.

You don't know what you're reading. You don't know what you're talking about. I found an article that said why. Why the court case for B. J. Boatman does not prove that vaccines cause SIDS. It was this, you know, counterintelligence measure to get moms or anyone who had read about this before. Sweet, innocent baby.

Who's no longer here because of vaccines to get us to go, Oh, I didn't understand that court document. I, I must've read it wrong. I'm so dumb. I'm unqualified. And I just, I knew because of my experience, my work experience, my home life and growing up around legal jargon, my whole life, I knew what I was reading and I was not going to be gaslit into.

And to telling myself that I, I didn't read what I just read that this baby died from his vaccines. And so here I was with the answer that I had asked this pediatrician and she didn't know, she didn't know that babies could die after their shots. And so I just put a halt on our plan to do a delayed schedule.

I said, there is not a needle touching my daughter until I figure out what the heck is going on with this, with these injections. And from there, I started looking at the ingredients. And from there, unfortunately, I started looking and finding, because there, there, there are so many stories of babies who had passed away.

So that, the SIDS thing, you know, as a new mom, you're sleep deprived or you're at the end of your pregnancy, you're, you're gearing up. And the SIDS thing is always on everyone's mind, I think. And then to find out that the connection and everyone, Within the holistic community and the quote anti vax community was saying healthy babies.

Don't just die You know SIDS is vids and I just thought oh my gosh This is horrendous. So from there it was it was just a thing of like let's so we changed pediatricians I'm like, let's just learn more. So I went to this new pediatrician who was very holistically minded, pro parental choice. And I said, what do you think?

Can we skip them all? Because I want to skip them all. He said, are you breastfeeding? I said, yeah. He goes, yeah, you can just like that. I said, well, shouldn't I be afraid? He said, I don't know. No. And he's like, let me tell you, I tell people not to get the rotavirus. It causes into deception. Babies get sick from it.

It's not worth it. It causes telescoping of the intestines. Babies who get this vaccine are sicker than the babies who don't get it. They end up in the hospital, 0 percent worth it. Prevnar, they removed this vaccine from the market in Europe because babies were dying from this one vaccine. He said, I tell parents not to give it to their kids.

He goes, HPV vaccine. I don't offer it in my practice. It's horrible. So by one by one, He said, if you weren't breastfeeding, maybe the Hib, maybe, when, when your baby's a lot older and weighs more, you know, and he just was rattling off and when I tell you, I was just there in utter disbelief because I'd heard stories of pediatricians who were just like, if you're not doing every single vaccine on the CDC schedule, get out of my office.

And here he was saying, this one's trash, this one's trash, this one's trash. So, and, and breastfeeding is the only vaccine that babies need. So he was really an angel, you know, and I do feel very blessed that we have him. So that was the beginning. And then looking back at my own health history, when I started linking autoimmunity to the one thing that people take to alter their immunity.

I mean, Hello. Um, but I received the Gardasil series when it was brand new. So I'm 38 years old. I got it when I was 21, because I was so mainstream and it just came out. And I'm like, that seems like a good thing to do. I'm in a sexual relationship. I'm not married, like whatever. Let me go get this vaccine to protect myself.

Cause I'm such an empowered modern woman, you know, just so much to unpack there. So much. Wrong in a lot of ways with that. Um, so I marched myself into the doctor's office and got it. And then was so ill for months after I'm talking, passing out in the Metro on my way to work, not to be indelicate, but running to the restroom, you know, like not having normal digestion, sleeping for over 12 hours, hair falling out, nausea after every meal.

And I, at the time did not put. The timeline together at all, because I was so of the belief system that vaccines were not only safe, but utterly beneficial. So, I just thought that I was sick with something. I had walking pneumonia for about two months. I was on Z Pak after Z Pak, because, surprise, Doctors didn't know what to do with me, you know, with all these symptoms happening.

And then I finally had a friend say, I think you have what I have. And she had celiac disease. And I said, Oh no, I don't want what you have because you can't eat anything. So I went and I saw a gastroenterologist and it was confirmed. So I haven't had gluten since, since I was 21 or 22. But, um, but even that information and that time of my life, that was so hard crystallizing when I was a mother and thinking back and going, Oh my gosh, The timeline, of course, of course it was that and then after me having it in my mind going, I wonder if this happened to other women and then finding the body of evidence that it is so common that it has happened to so many other women and, um, and then the survivor's guilt when you hear about people who passed away, young people who passed away after getting the HPV vaccine.

So the vaccine thing is, um, A huge part of my life because I'm passionate about. Obviously living well, but when someone tells you that something is good for you and it harms you or kills your baby, that's something that's, it's more sinister than a sunscreen or a floor cleaner. And just like a diet, you know, there's bio individuality there.

People have different genetic makeup and one person saying I had that vaccine and I'm fine. I was fine. I had the HPV vaccine. I'm fine. Well, maybe you weren't in your luteal phase. Maybe I was when I got it. My immunity was so low. Maybe I have these certain genetic changes. Maybe I have these epigenetic changes from stressors in my childhood or from toxins that I was exposed to in my childhood that you don't have.

Um, so to, to give every single person, regardless of their weight, their health, anything, the same medicine is bad medicine. And I think if you love science, you have to admit that at some point. So it's something that I'm passionate about. And I know that other people are passionate on the other side. So it's.

It's a hard conversation to have sometimes, um, and people get really riled up, but it is a hill I will die on, that my, my mother in law is never going to listen, I'm not going to tell her that I said that, but it is, you know, 

[00:53:57] Loren: it's a, it's a hill I'll die on for sure. Well, I appreciate you sharing that, and that is just, So much to unpack there too, but, um, I, I hope that, you know, anyone listening that maybe were, maybe was told that it's all in their head or that, no, it doesn't matter because getting it is still the most important thing.

I hope that this gives you some hope and closure and maybe some encouragement or just confidence to continue pursuing things that are right for you. And not necessarily what anyone else is telling you, I think it comes back to discernment to again and just being able to know and have a compass internally, that is helping you navigate.

Decisions like this, and I so appreciate you sharing your experience, especially as a new mother, but also being able to connect the dots in your own personal health history. I myself, for example, I was given the HPV vaccine, the three series, when it first came out as well, I was going off to college and my pediatrician was really, really Really pushing for me to get it and she was using fear tactics, and I didn't know that I was just a young teenager And my mother was terrified.

She was like, I don't know, you know, like this is new and ultimately, I got them all and Like Tiffany shared, nothing happened to me necessarily immediately, uh, but the next one that I got, which was the flu shot for bird flu, uh, that, um, sorry, it was H1N1 that year that, you know, I think it was, um, swine flu.

That year, if you remember that year, I got the newest flu vaccine. I think it was either the first one or the second one that they came out with and I did not react well to that one at all. I was very ill for a few weeks and uh, from there I, I really, uh, had a lot of issues as well. Metabolically speaking, uh, auto, I developed autoimmunity.

Uh, not immediately after, but that was all, I was also on birth control. So there's a lot of factors that could have been in play. I took birth control after the flu shot. So I had a really bad reaction, no birth control, and then took birth control and then developed autoimmunity. So, you know, these epigenetic changes could have all been playing at once, like you mentioned too.

It's not. that there's, you know, necessarily one super clear reason, but it can play a big role in sort of the development. Um, and as somebody that has had shingles at age eight, you know, my immune system was not doing very well for a long time, even before that. Uh, so I think that just kind of myself on this journey, piecing together, trying to connect the dots of, you know, why did I develop this autoimmune issue.

Why did I react so poorly to the flu shot? Why did I have shingles when I was eight years old? You know, those kinds of things, you can start to really kind of uncover a lot of things. And I did have Prevnar, you know, looking at my mother, she shared some of the vaccination records with me. So it's really interesting.

And I think it's just something to be aware of. If you know, you either have experienced something within your own health journey or are considering sort of What you want to do with your child or, you know, with yourself in the future, I think these are all really important considerations and, you know, something that are worth doing your due diligence on.

[00:57:53] Tiffany: Absolutely. I completely agree. And there are, there's so much literature out there and a lot of books. But there's one in particular, I feel like I have to mention because she's a Louisiana doctor and she is an MD. So people who are on, you know, on the fence or wanting more information tend to think like, okay, she knows, you know what she's talking about.

But her name is Stephanie cave and I believe the title of her book is what your doctor won't tell you about child childhood vaccinations or children's vaccinations. And, um, and it's, I feel like it's such a good one for parents who are. Considering and, and searching and, um, and looking because she has also treated a lot of children who have experienced brain damage and certain types of regression after their vaccinations.

And, um, that's not the only book. Thankfully, there are so many, but I do feel like to empower parents and individual, you know, just individuals for themselves. Cause now our climate is, you know, people of all ages are rushing to CVS to get the newest booster and and everything else. So it's not, I mean, more information.

I think more information is always better. And there, there have been some really funny articles that have come out saying things like don't do your own research. You'll really confuse yourself. You don't, you don't know what you're reading. And, and I, I say the opposite. I say, you know, if a doctor wrote a book that said there are things that your doctor won't tell you about childhood vaccinations, don't Go buy that book, read it, um, and glean, you know, what you can from it.

[00:59:24] Loren: I totally agree. I think the more the better in most cases. And, um, you know, you want to, no one cares about your health more than you do. No one's going to care about your children's health more than you do. So, yeah. It's, it's really, and no one's going to have to live with the consequences except for you.

Uh, so it's, it's doing that due diligence. Absolutely. Well, yeah, I, I guess, you know, that's a lot to unpack there and digest, but for, for anyone in the audience. It is. Yeah, it is, but you know, we're here for the real conversations and sometimes those are not the most comfortable. So, you know, I think, or, or easy on the digestive system.

And that's okay because there's so we have to hear sometimes and they're worth discussing. Um, but those that maybe are kind of a little bit overwhelmed or maybe trying to figure out where they should start. Are there any simple steps that you would recommend that somebody can start taking today to detox the things that we've been talking about or, you know, to create a sort of, uh, less toxin full and more toxin free life?

[01:00:43] Tiffany: So, yeah, it is going to differ person to person, but I think the intention behind it always has to be from a place of love. And being a good steward of your body and in a place of love for your family and not from a place of punishing yourself or being this, like how we spoke about before being controlling, you know, controlling everything.

Because if I do this, this, this, that means nothing bad will ever happen to my family. So if it were me doing it today, because like I said, it did feel like drinking from a fire hose. You know, when I first became a mom and I wanted to just do everything right. And my heart was in the right place. But I think writing it down, like creating a vision for it and having, and writing down your intentions for your health, for your family's health and a vision for yourself for the future.

I see myself having healthy digestion. I see myself enjoying pain free periods. And what am I going to do in my life to support me getting to this place? I know that this is possible. I know that healing is possible. And what are the small steps that I'm going to take to get there and kind of seeing it that way, as opposed to, oh, my gosh, I've been doing everything wrong for so many years.

I have so much to do. I have so much to change. So I think baby steps. Let's write it down, address problem areas first. And then once those things have started to resolve themselves and you feel like you have a firm footing then to be able to move on to the other other parts of your life. 

[01:02:12] Loren: I think that's great advice.

And, you know, so what I'm hearing is, start small and start on the things that maybe need the most help. So if you know, you know, you have digestive issues or hormonal imbalances, oftentimes they can go together, but, you know, really starting with One thing one area and then setting intentions and I think that's beautiful too because that can help you really wrap your head around how to actually execute upon what you're trying to do rather than just knowing that it's this thing that you have to fix and kind of Letting your mind spiral around it.

Okay. You know, I, oh, it's my hormones are imbalanced, like getting constant reminders every time you open the cabinet, you know, of, of cleaning products or something like that. Uh, but how are you going to start taking baby steps to get there? So I think that that is Really, really beautiful. And I think setting intention is tensions are also great.

But also, I think if you have, and maybe you would agree as well for if you have spirituality as well, you could also ask for guidance, guidance on where to begin ask for guidance on where to begin. Where to what to change. I think that is also not out of the question. Uh, I don't know if you want to also share anything about that too.

[01:03:37] Tiffany: I love that advice. Um, for, for me, I have a very interesting story about a root canal that was infected. And I, it was giving me kind of like autoimmune vibes. I was feeling really tired and this was after my daughter was born. And, and I knew it was infected without any. Assessment and I went to two different dentists and neither one would remove it.

And I just knew it needed to come out and I was praying one night and I was like, Lord, I want to live a long, healthy life. And I had developed a lump in my breast on the same side as my root canal, which in my research, I found high correlation and even cause causal relationships between infected root canals and breast cancer tumors on the same side.

And I was really afraid and I just prayed and I was like, Lord, I have a baby. I want to live a long, healthy life. I want to be here with her. What do I do? You know, like, how am I going to do this? These dentists keep telling me they're not going to take it out. And I just felt. It wasn't like an audible voice, but it was like a download that was like, you are going to figure it out.

You're going to find the person that you need to find to have it removed and you are going to be fine, but you need to get it out. It was like a fatherly feeling. Um, and I didn't grow up with a really healthy father, so I just knew that it was God and his love, but I did the next day I set to work researching, I found the dentist who removed it, showed me how infected it was and my breast lump went away.

Um, and that will forever be one of the most profound experiences of my life, and nobody was there. Nobody else had that profound spiritual impression that I had, that I needed to get this done. root canal removed. And a lot of people thought that I was nuts, but I stuck with it. And for me at that time, that was my next right thing that I needed to do.

That was me putting one foot in front of the other and then whatever else was in my home to, to deal with or detoxify, I was going to get to it. In that moment, my major detoxifying thing was to get this infected dead tooth out of my head. Um, and I did, and, and just like I felt God say to me that it was going to be okay, it was.

Um, so I do think if you're a person of faith, Yeah, lean, lean all the way in, um, cause I do believe there's a supernatural element to this world that, that we are, that we, I do believe we were created to connect with. 

[01:06:14] Loren: I think that's beautiful. And wow. What an amazing testament to gosh, just listening to that.

I think that is pretty miraculous and incredible. Incredible. Yeah. Looking back at it. Mm hmm. Well, Tiffany, my one of my last questions is what's one thing that you would like to share with the audience that they can start doing today to unlock the innate wisdom of their body because this podcast is called the innate wisdom podcast and I really I think you've done this so well so far, but, um, is there any last, you know, little, are there any last little tidbits that you would like to share that people can start doing today?

[01:07:01] Tiffany: If you're just starting this journey and well, if you're at any point on a journey of, of a more holistic lifestyle or tapping into that innate wisdom, I guess I just want to encourage people that, that your body is so smart and it is so, um, Beautiful. And it always wants to heal and it loves you. And, um, as you know, Lauren, our bodies do carry an innate wisdom and they love us.

They want to protect us always. So I think if, if someone has an instinct, especially mothers, we have this like supernatural power. If you have an instinct that something is off or something needs attention to kind of pull at that thread and not be made to feel unqualified. Or inexperienced, but to lean in and to trust that and to know that, you know, you're the, you're the owner of your body.

You're the protector of your body. And, um, you're the only one who can hear that deep inner wisdom for it and for your children, I believe. Um, but just, I want to encourage people to listen to that. Because that I think is the key to, to so much to the hormone stuff, to the digestive stuff, to, you know, removing breast implants or root canals or, um, you know, changing things in your home, prioritizing things, but to kind of lean in and to be like, you know what, people might think I'm kooky.

But I'm, I'm really, I keep hearing this in my, in my deep, deep part of myself and I'm going to listen to it. Um, and it doesn't make you weird or dumb. It makes you an eternal being who is listening to the wisest part of yourself. So definitely listen to it. 

[01:08:40] Loren: Wow. I love that answer and I couldn't agree more.

And the more you can listen to that voice and that. gut instinct and that intuition. Honestly, the more better off you're going to be or the better off you're going to be. I think it's, that's the correct grammar, but we're not here for the grammar. So yeah.

Yeah. Well, it's been a pleasure chatting with you, Tiffany. I have really, really enjoyed this conversation. Where can the audience Thank you. Where can the audience find you and how can they support you? 

[01:09:20] Tiffany: Well, I'm, I'm really just on Instagram. I'm in this full season of little kids and homeschooling. So I like to try to put some valuable content out there every once in a while.

But as you can hear, um, there's, I'm, I'm so consumed in this beautiful, but busy, busy season, but I answer my DMs. And, um, I don't give medical advice, but I do give anecdotes of my own personal journey. If, if anyone reaches out like, Hey, I'm going through this. Is this something you have experience with? I have a lot of time for women and moms, um, who just kind of need someone to talk to.

So it's just, it's my little grassroots. It's just me on Instagram, but that's where my life is at right now. So you can definitely find me on Instagram and I'm there checking my DMs whenever I get a second. 

[01:10:04] Loren: Amazing. And it's toxinfree. tiffany. 

[01:10:08] Tiffany: Correct. 

[01:10:09] Loren: Awesome. Yeah. Well, go check her out and I just love what you share and I've really enjoyed this conversation and I know the rest of the audience has.

So thank you again, Tiffany, for, for sharing your time and wisdom. 

[01:10:21] Tiffany: Oh my gosh, Loren. This has just been such a wonderful time. I really enjoyed talking to you. I really appreciate you and all that you do and all your work. It's you're making the world a better place sister. So keep, keep on keeping on.

[01:10:33] Loren: Thank you. And so are you. And likewise, we'll talk soon. Tiffany. 

[01:10:38] Tiffany: All right. Talk to you soon. Thank you.

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