Innate Wisdom Podcast

What It's About:

Join Loren Sofia, Functional Fertility Coach and founder of Innate Fertility, and Morley Robbins, the founder of the Root Cause Protocol, as they discuss the myths about maintaining a healthy pregnancy, including the important role of the antioxidant ceruloplasmin.

In this episode, you’ll learn about:

• The truth about low iron in pregnancy
• What are the healthiest hemoglobin levels in the third trimester?
• The “love hormone” and why it does way more than you think
• Oxytocin's role in labor & delivery (and important nutrients you need to make it)
• Iron, Vitamin D & Folic Acid in formula: Are they really needed? 
• How your Iron status can influence your breastfeeding journey
• What you need to know about measuring Ferritin and what your results really mean
• The importance of Ceruloplasmin and Copper for vibrant fertility and a healthy pregnancy 
• Magnesium’s overlooked role in pregnancy and why you night not be getting enough 
• Identifying risk factors for pregnancy complications like preeclampsia and how to strengthen your weak spots
• And more!

Transcript:

00:00:00:21 - 00:00:29:13

Loren
Welcome to the Innate Wisdom Podcast. I'm your host, Loren Sofia, healer of my own fertility and health struggles. Mother. Functional fertility coach to thousands of women and owner of innate fertility. I believe your body is innately wise and so is your fertility. Sometimes we just need the tools to unlock it in abundance. I'm honored to guide you through each episode where we'll cover not just fertility, but how to rediscover the innate wisdom of your body.

 

00:00:29:18 - 00:00:43:10

Loren

Restore your connection with your physiology, bioenergetics and metabolism, and get back in touch with Mother Nature and ancestral traditions.

 

00:00:43:12 - 00:01:08:01

Loren

He's back. This week I'm chatting with the one and only Morley Robbins, the founder of the Root Cause Protocol and somebody that I'm lucky enough to call one of my teachers. You absolutely loved his two part episode from season one about the things your Ob-Gyn won't tell you. So I had to invite him back for yet another tantalizing discussion about all things fertility, pregnancy, and postpartum.

 

00:01:08:03 - 00:01:34:06

Loren

And if you know Morley, tantalizing is the correct word to use here. And today we're continuing the discussion. In this episode, we're talking about what healthy hemoglobin levels really are in pregnancy, how your iron levels can actually influence your ability to breastfeed. Important nutrients you need for making oxytocin the love hormone that does way more than you probably think it does, especially when it comes to pregnancy.

 

00:01:34:08 - 00:01:57:22

Loren

The truth about measuring ferritin levels and what your numbers actually mean, and so much more. We're getting into the weeds as usual with Morley, so I hope you enjoy it and have a notepad ready. Let's dive into the episode. Okay, we're back with Morley Robbins. I am so excited to have you back on the podcast. Morley, welcome.

 

00:01:58:00 - 00:02:03:06

Morley

Well, thank you all and blessed to be here. Looking forward to our discussion as always.

 

00:02:03:07 - 00:02:33:07

Loren

Yeah. Well, definitely, just for you listening, if you haven't yet, go back to season one and listen to the podcast I originally did with Morley, where we talked about why your ObGyn won't tell you that episode, got so much feedback. Really positive feedback. So if you haven't yet, definitely listen to that. But, this episode we're going to be talking about some really deep stuff.

 

00:02:33:12 - 00:02:53:18

Loren

If going even deeper, I think, than the topics that we covered in that podcast episode. A lot of it focuses on Cirillo Plasmon, which Morley will definitely explain if you've never heard that word before. But, yeah, I think, Morley, what's new in your world? And do you want to kick it off?

 

00:02:53:20 - 00:03:17:08

Morley

Yeah. Thank you Loren. It's going to be hard to keep it in, like an hour, but we'll do that, we’ll be fine. I mentioned to Lauren that I wanted to share something that happened just this week. So this was as a backdrop to this discussion, and I really worry about pregnant women and the abuse that's taking place on this planet.

 

00:03:17:10 - 00:03:55:22

Morley

And so I get an email from my buddy Dan Evans, introducing me to a fellow physician in Chattanooga, Tennessee, who is seeking to understand, what might have happened to a fellow parishioner in their church who was pregnant and became anemic and was given a bone fusion, and she was 32 weeks pregnant. And what ended up happening was she had a brain embolism.

 

00:03:57:12 - 00:04:28:13

Morley

And now she's fighting for her life. The baby had to be born eight weeks early. So now we've got a baby who didn't get the copper download. Being, Pardon my expression, Abused by the NICU, being bottle fed with iron, vitamin D and a bunch of synthetic B vitamins. Just utter garbage. And the mom's up in the ICU, and they know she has brain damage now.

 

00:04:28:15 - 00:04:32:12

Morley

And she was without oxygen for about six minutes.

 

00:04:32:13 - 00:04:34:05

Loren

Oh my gosh.

 

00:04:34:06 - 00:05:05:07

Morley

And so this entire church community now is upside down trying to understand what happened, because she was a very healthy woman before all of this took place. And so then I got into a conversation with this physician and started walking him through the facts of how minerals get downloaded from mother to baby, and how iron is supposed to get low during the course of a pregnancy.

 

00:05:05:09 - 00:05:38:02

Morley

And he didn't know any of this, of course, and it's just not taught. And the what's the meme that runs medicine? You're anemic and you're copper toxic. And it's just, it's a complete and utter lie. And I appreciate the chance to have this conversation with you, because it's,  Any chance I get to, to dance on minds, but especially minds of women who are either pregnant or want to be pregnant or just delivered like you.

 

00:05:38:04 - 00:06:08:09

Morley

But it's very important for women to spread this gospel because it's it's not understood in the medical community, the midwife community, certainly not the mid-wife community. Those those are worse than the midwives. And then it's just they don't know. And I sent you an email this morning that I think I may have figured out why hemoglobin goes low during the tail end of the pregnancy.

 

00:06:08:11 - 00:06:38:18

Morley

I had never understood it properly, and as you probably know it, you got to have B9 and B12 to make red blood cells. Well, most people don't know that B9 is copper dependent. Most people don't know that B12 is copper dependent and they won't tell you that in the literature. But what I think is really entertaining is that the, the transport protein for B12 is called Cubilin, C U B I L I N

 

00:06:38:18 - 00:06:45:00

Morley

And of course I'm not a hyphenate the c you right. So we can see the symbol for copper.

 

00:06:45:02 - 00:07:08:12

Loren

For those that don't know. If you're listening and you don't know what vitamin B9 is because I think they will. If you say what it is and they'll be like, oh, oh, because everyone goes crazy for this vitamin and they think it's, you know, the one vitamin that's super important to prevent neural tube defects when there are actually several, including copper.

 

00:07:08:14 - 00:07:17:17

Loren

So vitamin B9 is folate, not folic acid though either. We could do a whole other podcast about that.

 

00:07:17:18 - 00:07:55:05

Morley

That's exactly right. Now, folate is an incredibly misunderstood mineral, as you know, or vitamin, excuse me, but but it hasn't been or it doesn't work without copper. And I stumbled across a wonderful article this morning. It was describing the folate vitamin D hypothesis. And it was fascinating. You have time to go into it now, but it's like there's a wow factor to folate, to B9 and and the many roles that it plays out, not just in making blood cells helping to regulate a lot of things.

 

00:07:55:05 - 00:08:26:09

Morley

So it was quite interesting. And so you can't make or mature red blood cells without B9, folate and B12. I'm one of those rare birds who questions whether cobalamin and cobalt was really the original metal. And in that B12, I think it was copper before they messed with it. But it turns out that when B9 and B12 are low, they create what's called macro acidic anemia.

 

00:08:26:11 - 00:08:56:06

Morley

The red blood cells get big. That's a sign of poor maturation of the red blood cell. As red red blood cells start out big and they've got to get smaller in order to mature so they can move off and do their work. And when they're missing those nutrients, they can't get to the right sites. And well, I didn't know for what I learned this morning is that when you have macro acidic anemia, you're going to have lower hemoglobin.

 

00:08:56:08 - 00:09:03:23

Morley

And I guess in a way it almost makes sense because you've got bigger cells. And I it was fascinating to think about that.

 

00:09:04:01 - 00:09:06:22

Loren

Less volume per unit.

 

00:09:07:00 - 00:09:34:07

Morley

Right. But what I also didn't know is that macro acidic anemia is quite common in late pregnancy. Birthing practitioners test for the type of anemia. They'll just say, oh, you're anemic. And I can say, what is it? And I can get into the refined understanding of the red blood cell. And what's important about the late pregnancy is, you know, it's in third trimester.

 

00:09:34:09 - 00:10:13:03

Morley

Mom is downloading copper, a lot of copper. As adults, we have 100mg. Your son was born with 70mg. That's a big bonus of copper to get from mom. Thank you. Mom, and, mom is also dealing with low hemoglobin by design. Mother nature wants the mom to have low hemoglobin. It's called hemo-dilution, but it's really to help the mom make breastmilk, lower the iron and get it to the baby so the mom can actually, engage in the process of making breast milk.

 

00:10:13:05 - 00:10:45:10

Morley

And that's when the misdiagnosis of anemia is so prevalent in either low hemoglobin or low ferritin. And one of my research heroes was a mom. She had three, three kids, and her name was Myra Fields was originally from Israel. And, she ended up marrying a guy from England. And somehow they ended up in, in the States in Washington, DC.

 

00:10:45:12 - 00:11:28:18

Morley

And she was a very gifted copper researcher in the 1990s, she wrote a very important article about copper deficiency in pregnancy. And she makes a very bold statement that ferritin, serum ferritin is an invalid blood test during pregnancy because of the inflammatory nature of pregnancy. So people don't think about that and what is pregnancy? It is turning a parasite in your womb into a mammal, and it's a parasite the whole time it's inside you and it becomes a mammal when it comes out.

 

00:11:28:19 - 00:11:32:19

Morley

It's a different way of thinking about your son, right?

 

00:11:32:21 - 00:11:38:02

Loren

I definitely don't think about him as a parasite, but I see I see what you mean.

 

00:11:38:04 - 00:12:03:18

Morley

But when he was in the womb, he was. It was an absolute parasite. And what was what was really high in your body is that no one ever tested is hepcidin and hepcidin responds to a parasitic growth. And guess what high hepcidin does? High hepcidin causes low ferritin. But no one's ever thought to look at it that way.

 

00:12:03:20 - 00:12:34:05

Morley

And so using ferritin as a blood test for pregnant women is completely inappropriate. It should be illegal. And it's causing a lot of harm. Like I said, I don't know about this woman in Tennessee, whether it was low ferritin and or low hemoglobin, it doesn't really matter. The doctor wasn't completely trained to understand what's going on. And so ferritin is not a blood test for iron vitality.

 

00:12:34:07 - 00:13:03:07

Morley

Yeah. I as I was suggesting when we first started talking, I think it's more an indication of the immune system and iron metabolism. And so that's not understood well. And so we have this, you know, here we have in in Chattanooga a crisis or it’s actually a crisis all over the globe because there are millions of women who are pregnant, who are fearing that they're going to get anemic.

 

00:13:03:09 - 00:13:23:12

Morley

And it's just it's lack of copper that’s causing the low iron. And it's just it's, it's a real tragedy that hopefully this conversation will help to dispel some level of misinformation that's that's out there. I appreciate the chance to have this conversation.

 

00:13:23:13 - 00:13:34:07

Loren

Yeah. Well, thanks for sharing all of that. I, I think most most importantly, I think I want to acknowledge the woman. I don't know if she has a name, but.

 

00:13:34:09 - 00:13:35:22

Morley

Her name is Jo Jo.

 

00:13:36:00 - 00:14:14:02

Loren

Jo Jo, we're thinking about you and we are praying for you. And we hope that everything falls into place as it needs to and that you recover quickly. I'm so sorry to hear about what happened, and it is a very, concerning, I think, thing that's happening in the medical system, which would never be acknowledged. But to be honest with you, Morley, I do get even doctors that are pregnant reaching out to me all the time asking, hey, my iron is low and I want to have a home birth.

 

00:14:14:04 - 00:14:34:19

Loren

How can I get it up? And these are actual medically trained doctors that reach out to me, registered dietitians that reach out to me. You know, people that the conventional medical system thinks should only have the last say, but even they don't know, how to help themselves. So it's it's definitely a problem.

 

00:14:34:21 - 00:15:02:17

Morley

You know, but this mandate, hemoglobin has to be at least 12, and or you have a home birth. Like who made that up? Based on what study? Based on what experience, when in fact, you know, you've got someone like Doctor Steer saying the 150,000 live births and the average was 8.5 to 9.5 for the healthiest babies. And where did this 12 come from?

 

00:15:02:19 - 00:15:27:08

Morley

It’s just a mandate from on high and it's terrorizing the world. I don't I don't understand it. And there's no literature that back to back it up. And I had one client saying, well my my doctor says I need a little extra iron in case I bleed into delivery. I said, do you know what oxytocin is?

 

00:15:27:10 - 00:15:40:20

Morley

Just so. Well, yeah, I do know what oxytocin is. I said, you know, one of its most important jobs, of course, is this love hormone. Right. It's the bonding hormone. No! It's the softer bleeding hormone.

 

00:15:40:22 - 00:15:41:15

Loren

Yes. 

 

00:15:41:15 - 00:15:45:02

Morley

When it gets activated, it stops bleeding.

 

00:15:45:04 - 00:15:46:20

Loren

That's exactly.

 

00:15:46:22 - 00:15:53:01

Morley

And nobody knows that. And the synthetic form that they're using I wonder if it's really working right.

 

00:15:53:03 - 00:16:17:11

Loren

It's midwives that are doing home births will carry pitocin with them in case there is bleeding because it is the synthetic form of oxytocin. And that will clamp down the cervix and prevent additional blood loss. And in the hospitals as well, sometimes they will recommend, depending on how long your labor has been or you know, if you have any complications.

 

00:16:17:11 - 00:16:44:07

Loren

Sometimes they will give you pitocin sort of like preemptively, so that when you do birth, it clamps down fast. So yeah, you're absolutely right. Oxytocin is the love hormone. But it's also it's also the labor hormone. And it's also it's also the stop leading hormone. So it has many, many it's kind of an amazing hormone actually.

 

00:16:44:07 - 00:16:47:06

Loren

Now that you said no. But I think about it.

 

00:16:47:08 - 00:17:15:18

Morley

It really like that, that hormone, that's a Nobel Prize. So, it's only nine amino acids. That's amazing. It's a really tiny little molecule. But boy does it pack a punch. But for pitocin, why are they using pitocin? Because they know people don't have enough copper to run the Pam enzyme to activate for precursor. To activate oxytocin.

 

00:17:15:20 - 00:17:32:20

Morley

That's a that's an important thing to know. It isn't that. Oh, I can't make it. They can make the oxytocin. They can't activate. And therein lies the glitch. And, so its just… maybe we know too much.

 

00:17:32:22 - 00:17:48:09

Loren

Maybe. Maybe we need to figure out a different path than prescribing all these medications. Although I do think that they do serve a purpose. You know. Yeah, if if you're bleeding and there's an emergency, thank God that pitocin exists.

 

00:17:48:15 - 00:17:49:22

Morley

Oh, absolutely, sure.

 

00:17:49:22 - 00:18:15:18

Loren

If if we could make that not so needed all the time, then that'd be great too. I do want to backtrack. I have two questions for you. I was hoping you could clarify for everyone you mentioned that iron gets low in the third trimester to support breastfeeding. Now, do you mean in this way? So we know that breast milk has very, very little iron in it.

 

00:18:15:20 - 00:18:43:23

Loren

Also very little vitamin D, but very little iron in it? Because it is very irritating to the baby's digestive tract. And they're basically born with a leaky gut. And it's really, really sensitive and very vulnerable. And so iron also feeds pathogens. And that's the last thing you want to do, especially with a baby, especially with somebody with leaky gut.

 

00:18:44:01 - 00:18:47:12

Loren

Is that what you meant by that or is it something else?

 

00:18:47:14 - 00:19:17:17

Morley

Yeah. No. And the thing is that the baby, the infant doesn't have a functional immune system until about two years old. And that's the rationale for, keeping iron out of the breastmilk is to prevent those pathogens and the, infant formula says. Well, we know better than Mother Nature. And so we put significant amounts of iron and vitamin D.

 

00:19:17:19 - 00:19:19:02

Loren

And folic acid.

 

00:19:19:04 - 00:19:47:14

Morley

And folic acid. Thank you. Yeah, well, doesn't belong there, but this idea of it and B was just, one of my she's a colleague, but she's also a student, and she's a lactation consultant, and she's been studying the RCP for years and finally decided to take the class. And it did not take very long for her to figure out that iron, the focus on iron in pregnancy was what was blocking lactation.

 

00:19:47:16 - 00:19:56:06

Morley

Following the delivery. And so her clients were all having to reorient to what's really running the show. And it's common.

 

00:19:56:08 - 00:20:07:03

Loren

That's interesting. So she she found that the women struggling with breastfeeding were the ones that were taking iron. And that is very interesting.

 

00:20:07:08 - 00:20:18:03

Morley

Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a real big issue. And it's not a it's not a popular issue because people think they need more iron in society, society has been very brainwashed.

 

00:20:18:05 - 00:20:42:16

Loren

Yeah, yeah. But I could see that making sense even just from the, the larger perspective of it causing so much metabolic dysfunction. And if there's metabolic dysfunction, you're going to have trouble breastfeeding. So that makes a lot of sense from that perspective. But oxytocin is what also causes the let down as well or triggers a letdown.

 

00:20:42:18 - 00:21:01:18

Loren

In addition, you know, there's two hormones prolactin and oxytocin. So that goes back to what we were saying earlier, where if you are iron saturated, you're going to have trouble making the pam enzyme because you don't have enough copper. It's very unbalanced. So that makes a lot of sense.

 

00:21:01:19 - 00:21:30:14

Morley

For the casual listener. the pam enzyme, which your doctor doesn't know about. That’s not taught about that. Sink in. I was I was having dinner last fall with a world renowned neurologist. I asked him when he knew about the enzyme from the what and he said, what's it stand for? And so I give him the 35 letter explanation, and he got really angry not knowing.

 

00:21:30:16 - 00:22:05:01

Morley

And then he got really depressed when he realized his education was not complete. And not that this enzymes important just activates 4700 signaling peptides in the body. But the good thing for doctors to know about, I think that would be maybe day one. Let's turn let's learn how to turn on the human metabolism. But but the problem is then you lose the sale of 4700 signaling peptides.

 

00:22:05:03 - 00:22:06:02

Loren

Yeah.

 

00:22:06:04 - 00:22:10:00

Morley

We live in a very we live on a very funny planet, don't we?

 

00:22:10:02 - 00:22:41:17

Loren

Well, that's why they're trying to make their diets also on a completely different topic, but they're, they're trying to, make the sale of peptides like, illegal, so that the pharmaceutical companies can sell it. So it's just it's so messed up. But I did have one more question, too, just based on what you said earlier to just to clarify for everyone, you mentioned that ferritin is an inaccurate marker measuring iron, and it's more of an immune marker, and I totally agree.

 

00:22:41:18 - 00:23:01:10

Loren

But I think what I would love for you to explain is too, maybe elaborate on, is how ferritin is actually empty and doesn't contain any iron whatsoever, which I think people would be shocked to learn. So would you mind explaining a little bit more about that?

 

00:23:01:12 - 00:23:31:11

Morley

Sure. For instance, a very important molecule, as we know, to store it’s an iron storage protein, it exists and in many different states, for something called heavy chain keratin, which requires copper to make a one that's typically found in the the heart and the kidneys, so that we've got heavy chain. We have something called light chain. And light chain doesn't require copper.

 

00:23:31:13 - 00:24:03:01

Morley

It runs on hydrogen peroxide as a mechanism to load iron. And that would be like putting a square peg to a round hole. that’s kindof what it’s like and that's film between the liver and the spoon. And we have what Warren is referring to called secreted ferritin but it’s showing in the serum, but it's showing up in the blood because there's this functional layer recycling taking place.

 

00:24:03:03 - 00:24:35:12

Morley

And if you move liver cells you call them anocytes. There's a little stomach called the lysosome. This is just called something that's called a lysosome. and it needs, there's certain signaling in there to recycle the iron. The signaling is missing. The body dumps the iron into the river, cleans off ten amino acids from the ferritin protein, and then secretes it into the bloodstream.

 

00:24:35:13 - 00:25:02:14

Morley

And doctors see this form of ferritin in the blood thinking it's a sign of iron vitality, when in fact the ferritin is a shotgun shells. And so when I was having a conversation with a world renowned iron biologist a number of years ago, Douglas Kell, I asked him, I said, what's the idea of ferritin for a human being?

 

00:25:02:16 - 00:25:37:10

Morley

Then we're having a, you know, the zoom call and said, zero. I about fell out of my chair. And and so more that I want to make sure you understand this, he said rising serum ferritin is not a sign iron of vitality. It's a sign organ patho-physiology. He said do you understand what I said. I said yes I've read your literature on that, but but that's like scratching the record for most people.

 

00:25:37:10 - 00:25:56:12

Morley

They think because they got to get their ferritin up in order for their thyroid meds to work, in order to keep my hair in my head, I've got to get my ferritin turned up and all that is narrative. And so those are the first three forms of ferritin. So let me just round out the other two. Then we have something.

 

00:25:56:13 - 00:26:34:10

Morley

There's a form of of ferritin. It's called denatured ferritin. And that's found in the spleen. So ferritin can hold 4500 atoms of iron. Denatured ferritin, also called chemo-sinerin, can hold ten times more iron, so 45,000 pounds of iron. But what's important to understand is that each atom has four unpaired electrons, mother nature impores anything this unpaired so 4500 I'm sure some big number.

 

00:26:34:12 - 00:27:08:06

Morley

Then multiply it times term. We've got a lot of unpaired electrons creating foment in the spleen which is where autoimmune conditions originate. And then there's a fifth form. But wait, there's more. And it's called Magnetosphere Atom. We've never had a chance to talk about this Loren, but with the iron builds. So the so the structure of iron in this very tense is hexagonal six.

 

00:27:08:06 - 00:27:53:13

Morley

That's when the iron builds and builds and builds, the structure changes to cubic. And then the power of that iron increases 200 fold and it becomes magnetic. And the leading researchers are now implicating that magneto ferritin, which is not visible to the human eye, to a microscope, but only visible to Tesla MRI perfectly. 0.5 Tesla, not a seven Tesla, but a low end Tesla can pick it up, and they think that this is the origin, the metabolic origin of heart disease, cancer and neurodegeneration.

 

00:27:53:15 - 00:28:24:13

Morley

Well, that's sort of a game changing event. And all of it is because doctors just think there's one form of ferritin called serum ferritin, when in fact there's a handful of ferritins. And those are just what we know today. I’m sure it get’s more refined. But there's a lot of this understanding of misinformation about ferritin. And that's what leads to a lot of inappropriate decisions, especially in pregnancy.

 

00:28:24:15 - 00:28:42:22

Loren

Thanks for breaking that down. The magneto ferritin, that's new. I will definitely be looking into that. But are you basically saying that people become magnetic almost because of their iron levels? I've always thought about that. That's very interesting.

 

00:28:43:00 - 00:28:44:11

Morley

It's called paramagnetic.

 

00:28:44:17 - 00:29:05:05

Loren

Yeah. Well, I guess also just on the more woowoo side of things, you know, how people have different frequencies and vibrations and things like that. I wonder what that would look like. If you're somebody with definitely very high iron, I changes anything we're doing.

 

00:29:05:05 - 00:29:39:13

Morley

I think it does do it with what's happened in the last century and, say, a conversion of humanity over the course of, say, 3 or 4 generations, thinking that it's normal to ingest a lot of iron, thinking that it's normal to be afraid of carbon, when in fact, our ancestors we didn't know, didn't know about this minerals the way we were discussing, you know, but with their foods, we're rich in copper and heroin.

 

00:29:39:15 - 00:30:10:15

Morley

But it was back in the 1930. It was very common to get between 4 to 6mg of copper in your daily diet. Now, milk, butter, eggs, and especially use we're not just rich in retinol there. They're in copper, but not today. The whole system has been con altered, so we're not getting the nutrients that our ancestors took for granted.

 

00:30:11:17 - 00:30:37:16

Morley

I didn't know about this. I mean, they had their own set of stressors. And truth be known, our ancestors were usually either hungry or cold most of our life. We don't have some stressors. Now we have all sorts of other stressors that are equally as challenging. But then people don't realize the, the tables have been turned as it relates to copper and iron.

 

00:30:37:18 - 00:30:56:20

Morley

And I would say it's by design. Maybe. Maybe it's just what a what a coincidence. They thought it would be a good idea to give us extra iron, and it's a good idea to take away our copper. But that's what began, I think, the downfall of human metabolism.

 

00:30:56:22 - 00:31:27:16

Loren

Hey, it's Loren here. As you know, I'm a big fan of preparing and getting ahead of potential problems before they become serious issues. If your iron levels have always been out of whack, or you're wanting to prepare your body for pregnancy to avoid iron issues, especially as you reach the third trimester, which is when most women find themselves deficient, there is no better time like the present to work on this, because low iron doesn't just mean you have iron deficiency or you're deficient in iron.

 

00:31:27:18 - 00:31:48:22

Loren

It can mean so much more and things can look low, but actually be high. If you're one of my core students, you know exactly what I mean. And iron dysregulation or this imbalance in iron and manifests as issues like hypothyroidism and endometriosis, just to name a few, which are two of the most common things that I help women with in my practice.

 

00:31:49:00 - 00:32:18:06

Loren

And low iron in pregnancy, aka anemia of pregnancy, can also make things very complicated and lead to things like premature labor, intrauterine growth restriction, and insofar, milk syndrome, just to name a few. I personally worked on my iron levels prior to my pregnancy and ended up having stellar iron levels throughout my whole pregnancy, even as I reached the third trimester, which again, is typically when women are deficient or see a drop in their iron.

 

00:32:18:08 - 00:32:48:13

Loren

I had barely any blood loss at delivery two which is the most common concern around this, and I also help my students optimize their iron levels before pregnancy so that they can experience the same. If you're interested in learning how to optimize your iron levels for fertility, pregnancy, and postpartum, and prepare your body in the most intentional way possible for the most amazing, amazing pregnancy, I invite you to learn more about my program by visiting Innatefertility.org/get-pregnant for more information. And if you're loving the show, don't forget to leave a review! Now, back to the episode.

 

00:32:48:13 - 00:33:12:02

Loren

Now, when you talk about copper, I think I want to make a distinction to. You're not just talking about copper the mineral, but you're talking about ceroloplasmin, which is kind of the star of the show.

 

00:33:12:05 - 00:33:30:09

Loren

And really, I think the most important part of this discussion. So we mentioned earlier, we would we would definitely be defining and explaining what ceroloplasmin the plasma is, can you help explain what it is in a way that would help the audience understand?

 

00:33:30:11 - 00:34:14:06

Morley

Sure. So ceroloplasmin is a very big protein. So think of insulin has 45 amino acids. People probably when we talked about oxytocin as nine amino acids, it's very powerful. But ceroloplasmin which is made over our body but principally in the layer. It has 2066 amino acids. And when it was originally discovered that can maintain forms that had eight atoms of copper inside it so it was basically a V8.

 

00:34:14:07 - 00:34:44:12

Morley

Well, well, today it's a V6. When I talked to five different copper researchers and they asked what happened to two of those atoms of a copper, and no one can tell them they don't know. You'll say, well, maybe that maybe they miss, evaluating. I said, I don't think so. And they said, no, you're probably right. And for those who ridden in a V-8, a car with a V8 engine, it has more power than a V6.

 

00:34:44:14 - 00:35:19:04

Morley

it’s a very different ride. And this is the master antioxidant protein in the body. Thank goodness. I am. So there is a science master antioxidant in the cell. Melatonin is the master antioxidant in the mitochondria. Oh we have 40 quadrillion mitochondria in our body. And they can all make my melatonin. It's not just a sleep aid. This a master antioxidant in that organelle.

 

00:35:19:06 - 00:35:48:17

Morley

But the master antioxidant for the body. And through all plasmon. And the literature will tell you it's only found in the blood. But that's not true. It's found in tissue, is found in the brain, it's found in the organs, is found in the gonads. And it's playing a very, very important role to diffuse free radicals, reactive oxygen species.

 

00:35:48:19 - 00:36:19:12

Morley

And that's that's one of its most important jobs. But it has the ability to transform its function. And I've seen some movies about the Transformers and can change shape. Well, ceroloplasmin can change shape and function. So it's a I think it's a sentient part of our body. It's really intelligent. But I think particularly important as it relates to pregnancy is i think as soon as.

 

00:36:19:14 - 00:36:57:22

Morley

So let me back up. The normal level of cerebral platform in a healthy adult would be around 30, and the ideal copper would be around 100. And so the ratio of copper to through a plasma would be 3.33. But as soon as a woman becomes pregnant, those numbers shoot up. And I think no woman can. Her copper can go up into the two hundreds and through plasma can go upwards on windows is usually quite high.

 

00:36:58:00 - 00:37:34:12

Morley

And so no doctor that I know of ever tests for through a little plasma or copper when in fact that's what's running the show. And when you get into the placenta, which is supposed to be a very vibrant reddish brown organ, it's very there's three copper proteins that are running that organ. It's known as the, forgotten organ, probably the most important organ in the human body, but it's called the forgotten organ for a reason.

 

00:37:34:14 - 00:38:08:12

Morley

But there's three copper proteins that are found there. Ceroloplasmin , profestin, which is a cousin to ceroloplasmin  and the one that's most intriguing of all is called Zyclopen. z y c l o p e n. Not you doctors never talk to you about those three proteins. What those three proteins do is run and regulate the movement of copper and iron between mom and baby.

 

00:38:08:14 - 00:38:41:22

Morley

And I'd say the most important of all is I love him because that's how the baby gets iron for mom. It's like compounds not working, right. There isn't going to be adequate of your transfer to the baby. And if doctors aren't thinking about copper, if doctors aren't measuring copper standards, then I think the chances of, steaks or misunderstandings or malfunction are going to go up exponentially.

 

00:38:43:05 - 00:39:12:21

Morley

I think that's what we're witnessing in, obstetrics of all over the globe. So the Sumo plasma and protein is one of the most important jobs is it can regulate both oxygen and iron at the same time. Why is that important? Well, iron is the master pro-oxidant on the planet. 36% of the Earth's composition is iron.

 

00:39:12:23 - 00:39:49:23

Morley

And our friend can't live without it. It carries the oxygen, carries the CO2. But in my humble opinion it is dumber than a box of rocks. And oxygen is the second most reactive element on the planet after fluorine gas. And so what happens when you put oxygen next to other? You? They create rust really good at it. And that rusting process takes place inside our body for what prevents that rusting process is this copper protein ceroloplasmin.

 

00:39:50:00 - 00:40:00:10

Morley

And here's the catch. It's always a catch. I'm six feet tall. How tall are you Loren?

 

00:40:00:10 - 00:40:01:12

Loren

I’m five foot six.

 

00:40:01:14 - 00:40:29:06

Morley

Okay. Five foot six. That means that I'm smarter than you, right? I must have higher IQ. No, that doesn't mean height. Height does not mean anything to IQ does. And so there's two ways to measure the sewer of thousand protein. You can measure its level which is its height 39. Then when you break things like that that's this level.

 

00:40:29:08 - 00:41:18:14

Morley

But the IQ of sewer of thousand is the activity of its enzymes. And the most important enzyme is called ferro oxidase. Ferro iron oxidants, flexible working with oxygen. And so that's the enzyme that's regulating oxygen. Well here and there's a $4 test. It can be done. It's called a ferro oxidase colorimetric assay $4 dollar test. It was not allowed by the FDA because they don't want doctors for their patients knowing what's really going on with the copper enzymes.

 

00:41:18:16 - 00:41:43:00

Morley

And this isn't just ceroloplasmin. I have identified five copper zones that would reveal how smart the copper is in the body. And what a coincidence. All five are blocked by the FDA, so we're allowed to know how tall we are, but we're not allowed to know how smart we are. And that, to me, is a crime against humanity.

 

00:41:43:02 - 00:42:15:09

Morley

And it's to me, the most glaring defect in medical education is one not recognizing copper, not understanding copper, but not being allowed to measure its intelligence. And folks, we wouldn't be here on this planet if copper weren't here, because it's what allows us to exist in the presence of oxygen, which is a very reactive element, and it needs to be regulated.

 

00:42:15:11 - 00:42:46:22

Morley

And copper is what brings that chill. And so it's just it's not something that's openly discussed or and there's no interaction with your doctor and hey, doc, how's my ceroloplasmin today? They wouldn't even know what you're talking about. And that's where that's the, the Achilles heel of organized medicine is not knowing about, the bioavailability and the intelligence of copper enzyme.

 

00:42:47:13 - 00:43:12:11

Loren

Thanks for breaking that down. I think as you can tell, ceroloplasmin is very, very important. And so it's not just about copper but it's being able to make ceroloplasmin . And we'll talk about how to do that later. But you touched on why ceroloplasmin  is important for pregnancy. You touched on why ceroloplasmin is important for lactation as well.

 

00:43:12:13 - 00:43:20:01

Loren

Do you want to add anything to those specific sort of like times and women's lives?

 

00:43:20:03 - 00:43:54:11

Morley

Well, I mean, I'm not sure plasma was playing in the background of pregnancy. And again, it's not openly known. It's not openly time. My two favorite quotes, and we probably talked about this in our first session. But my two favorite quotes about pregnancy. One is from Mildred Seeley, a physician who's also a mom. And her famous quote about magnesium is pregnancy is a magnesium deficient state from start to finish.

 

00:43:54:13 - 00:44:27:06

Morley

The whole time you're pregnant, you're magnesium deficient. What was the last time your doctor mentioned your magnesium status? Never. So long as your magnesium. They don't measure copper. We don't measure ceroloplasmin  or they don't measure retinol. And what's important for people to understand is that retinol, vitamin A, is what activates what are called copper pumps to make through low plasma and to make a whole bunch of other copper enzymes that people don't know about.

 

00:44:27:08 - 00:45:01:13

Morley

So ceroloplasmin is playing this critical role throughout our lives, but especially, during pregnancy. But the other quote that I absolutely love and some of the famous alpine since geologists, his name was Sir Joseph Barcroft, was British and started his career studying mountain climbers and ended his career studying infants in utero fetuses and and discovered that they have the exact same state of hypoxia.

 

00:45:01:15 - 00:45:32:07

Morley

Whether you're at the top of Mount Everest or inside the womb. And his famous quote is Pregnancy is Mount Everest in utero? So the oxygen level is very low inside the womb, and that creates stress for the growing fetus. You got to have copper to deal with it. It's very important. And some people might be aware of or maybe worried about pre-eclampsia.

 

00:45:32:09 - 00:46:05:09

Morley

Who collapses when you have protein in the urine, well, swelling, you know, increased blood pressure. Right. And and hypertension those are those are the four cornerstones of preeclampsia. And they're all related to rising uric acid. So what is uric acid. Well think of uric acid is billowing black smoke coming out of your mitochondria because you're not burning oxygen properly.

 

00:46:05:11 - 00:46:32:16

Morley

Why aren’t they burning oxygen properly. They don't have enough copper and love to go to solution to pre-eclampsia that will slide in at the last second and gives the mother a bag of magnesium chloride or magnesium sulfate. That’s like throwing a wet blanket on a ten alarm fire, a little bit too late and a little bit too little.

 

00:46:32:18 - 00:47:01:07

Morley

And so because doctors don't measure copper and ceroloplasmin and vitamin A and magnesium throughout the nine months of the pregnancy, they come in like this and delivery hoping to to work their way through it. Like I don't think that's very professional. Nice. And I've witnessed four births, in my former remarriage. So I didn't know any of this stuff if I had known this stuff.

 

00:47:01:07 - 00:47:41:01

Morley

Oh my gosh, God help the obstetricians that I was interacting with. Because I, I actually quite well, I'll just leave it at that. I would, I would be, I would be much more interactive with them. And I'm trying to restrain myself Loren and you know that. But, but but we just don't we don't know this basic fundamental facts of physiology, and it's affecting the lives of, of not just a fetus and your baby when it comes out, but the mom and the dad and the family and the community and it it begins to reverberate out, especially if there's a problem.

 

00:47:41:03 - 00:48:12:11

Morley

And so preeclampsia is completely avoidable. Like I just measure level of uric acid in the blood. It's very easy to measure. And you can tell right away if it's starting to rise, you've got a metabolic problem and the oxygen is not being burned properly. And it can be corrected. So it's just this idea of of just wondering, you know, why do I have this gestational diabetes?

 

00:48:12:12 - 00:48:43:15

Morley

Because you don't have enough copper. It's not it's not a mystery. It's in the literature. It's it. But it's not discussed openly. And, obstetrical circles. So it's, well, I don't have protein in urine. Same reason. Why do I have hypertension? What is a whole series of, of signaling peptides? Ding ding ding. Back to Pam. If they don't get activated they don't signal and you get hypertension.

 

00:48:43:17 - 00:49:35:14

Morley

And so it's just it's tragic to see so many people kept in the dark, not the least of which are the practitioners. And I think if they knew this information, they would they would respond. I have absolute certainty that they are anxious to know there's just nothing trained completely. And, so I think that the, the importance of soil plows is, vast and it needs to become a cornerstone of obstetrics when it's going to be a while before that happens, just because it has such a, significant effect on retooling and reeducating so many practitioners involved in the birthing process.

 

00:49:35:16 - 00:50:02:09

Loren

Yeah, there's there's so much to be learned. You know, I think that things are shifting slowly but slowly. And so, but I agree and, you know, just to talk about preeclampsia for a second, my mother had preeclampsia  twice, once with me and once with my youngest brother. And it was so bad with my youngest brother that she had to give birth two months early.

 

00:50:03:00 - 00:50:33:18

Loren

She had an emergency C-section. So that was something that I personally worked very hard at preparing and trying to mitigate. All risk factors. And it's something that I also teach my students as well, is how to kind of put your best foot forward, understand what the risk factors are and where you're personally sort of vulnerable to, kind of really help put your best foot forward and come into pregnancy strengthening those weak spots.

 

00:50:34:12 - 00:50:45:09

Loren

So we covered pregnancy. We covered lactation. Would you mind talking or touching on quickly, sort of how ceroloplasmin plays into fertility as well.

 

00:50:45:11 - 00:51:16:14

Morley

Yeah. So it turns out that when that, when the egg and sperm meet there’s kind of like a little explosion, spark of life. But there's also, there's a lot of oxidative stress that needs to be overcome in order for, for, that union to take place. And so, again, think of that oxidative stress as like static and radio.

 

00:51:16:16 - 00:51:41:04

Morley

And you know, when you're you get the signal just right, the static goes down, passes through the plasma, does is make sure that the is just right and that the, the, the resistance to the bonding can take place, as opposed to absent that signaling, absent the regulation of the signal, there's going to be more resistance that

 

00:51:41:04 - 00:52:11:17

Morley

the sperm have to overcome in order to complete the unit. And that's really the basis of infertility is that can be in the, the, the father or the mom can have that increased, static and, and know farmers know that if they're, if their animals are not producing offspring properly, there's only one nutrient they add to the feed and it's copper.

 

00:52:11:19 - 00:52:48:03

Morley

And so it would certainly simplify the process for people to know that as opposed to going to fertility clinics, spending a lot of money for Invitro-Fertilization. So it's just it's, there's a very simple explanation for where the breakdown is. And, and then when you're in, when you think you're infertile becomes an emotional issue. And there's an energetic issue that has to be overcome in this series that starts to get in the way when we're in a state of fear.

 

00:52:48:05 - 00:53:16:08

Morley

Yes, feeling right has to hasten a so we can see the symbol for reason. And then the word becomes iron, attracts rust. And when we're in a state of fear, we become a magnet for iron misalignments. It increases oxidative stress. So then just compounds the challenge of of allowing the pregnancy to take place.

 

00:53:16:10 - 00:53:17:20

Loren

Yeah. Vicious cycle.

 

00:53:17:20 - 00:53:18:16

Morley

That makes sense.

 

00:53:18:18 - 00:53:43:04

Loren

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, as far as like egg quality, for example, you have to be able to create energy to maintain your eggs, not only the quality but the number of them to so as well as sperm, there's so much, in regards to spur motility issues in addition to sperm morphology issues, which are more, you know, kind of like the quality type stuff.

 

00:53:43:04 - 00:54:09:08

Loren

But if your sperm can't move the rate, I think they need to, then that's a problem. They're never going to be able to meet the egg by the time they, you know, perish. So yeah, it's it's definitely a huge issue. And it's more up front too. And so I love that you shared that, I think it's so important for, for anyone trying to conceive.

 

00:54:09:10 - 00:54:22:06

Loren

And this conversation is important for anyone also pregnant or, you know, thinking about breastfeeding. So we talked about how to test ceroloplasmin levels earlier. You can get a a blood draw. Right.

 

00:54:22:08 - 00:54:22:19

Morley

Absolutely.

 

00:54:22:19 - 00:54:23:06

Loren

Yeah.

 

00:54:23:08 - 00:54:45:17

Morley

Exactly. Real quick. Just build on what you were just saying about the egg and sperm. Make sure that it's important for the listeners to understand that, we have 40 quadrillion mitochondria in their body plus 15 zero. So a lot of our mitochondria, and we can go back to our high school biology textbook and remember the picture of a cell.

 

00:54:45:17 - 00:55:22:07

Morley

And then there were like maybe 2 or 3 mitochondria. We didn't know that Walt Disney drew that picture. It has nothing to do with reality. And so the average cell has 500 mitochondria, but the average, mature egg in a woman's body can have anywhere from 100,000 mitochondria, up to 600,000 mitochondria. I'm going to guess that the 600,000 is when the woman is younger, the 100,000 is as they age, or depending upon how how healthy they are.

 

00:55:22:09 - 00:55:54:08

Morley

But a woman who has an egg with 600,000 mitochondria is going to be pumping out energy to ensure a vital huaman. And a vital growth process. The difference is that that athlete to the sperm only has 1 or 2 mitochondria, but there's billions of sperm. But they've got to be healthy. This woman was pointing out, in order to last long enough, to make it up to, to meet the egg.

 

00:55:54:10 - 00:56:23:18

Morley

So we need to visualize these mitochondria, as really important aspects of the fertility issue. Both for the mom and the dad. But when you think about the mom need to produce hundreds of thousands of mitochondria per egg, well, that begins to increase the order of magnitude of importance about healthy diet, healthy lifestyle, things like that.

 

00:56:24:19 - 00:56:49:05

Loren

Absolutely. Thanks for elaborating on that too. I think it's really important to just understand the vast sort of like sizable difference between certain cells. And that really helps paint the picture. In terms of the number of mitochondria they require. So we talked about testing. We talked about what to look for kind of in terms of the results.

 

00:56:49:06 - 00:57:03:05

Loren

Can we talk about now because everyone's probably wondering how can you support your ceroloplasmin levels, and is there anything you need to avoid to that could potentially diminish ceroloplasmin levels?

 

00:57:03:07 - 00:57:33:07

Morley

Well, what we talk about was in the root cause protocol, know our theories of, what are called stops and starts, nutrients that you want to avoid, nutrients that you want to embrace. And this is part of the ongoing principles of the RCP. People interested in this can certainly download the the handbook or go to the RCP123.org handbook.

 

00:57:33:09 - 00:58:06:15

Morley

I think it's for like it's like over 80 pages long and it's very user friendly, but it will very quickly show you the stops and starts are and I think this is where people get surprised when some of the most important stops are stop taking zinc, stop taking iron, start taking calcium, vitamin D, ascorbic acid for these are the why do people think those are the main stage for good health, but they are very disruptive to your ceroloplasmin status.

 

00:58:06:17 - 00:58:31:09

Morley

So if you don't know about ceroloplasmin, then you'll be less likely to to do that. But if you're really trying to strengthen your ceroloplasmin  to make sure you avoid those and make sure that you're focusing on minerals in general and and magnesium, bioavailable copper. So what's, this copper was retinol. Very, very important combination.

 

00:58:31:11 - 00:58:53:06

Morley

And you want to have, wherever possible, natural sources of B vitamins. And these are the factors. And there are others, but those are the, the critical factors that will ensure the vitality of the ceroloplasmin  protein is going to root drive the vitality of the individual.

 

00:58:53:08 - 00:59:18:20

Loren

Yeah, definitely download the handbook. I'll put a link in the show notes. But yeah, it's, you know, getting more of those nutrients. A lot of foods. I mean, liver, shellfish, bee pollen, real protein like meat, high quality full fat dairy, like those are just a couple of things that you can incorporate eggs with the yolks. So those are a lot of the things.

 

00:59:18:20 - 00:59:44:09

Loren

And even just doing that can take your health into a much better place, including your fertility. But also, you know, if you're struggling with iron deficiency anemia in pregnancy. So pregnancy anemia and you're not eating those things or you're eating even more of like a plant based diet, you may see that your iron levels are not where you want them to be, even though those can be very controversial, as we discussed.

 

00:59:44:09 - 00:59:57:11

Loren

But you know, it's really important. I know that I ate a lot of these foods it during my pregnancy, and mostly I had shockingly little bleeding when I delivered my baby.

 

00:59:57:13 - 00:59:59:13

Morley

Yeah, that doesn’t surprise me.

 

00:59:59:15 - 01:00:31:02

Loren

My iron and copper and all the metabolism there was excellent. I recovered really well. I had barely any blood, lost my placenta was so healthy. It was really cool to see, it was so deep in color. Yeah. And I have the energy to keep up with my infant son who doesn't sleep, even though I'm running on negative hours of sleep.

 

01:00:31:04 - 01:00:35:01

Loren

I'm running on vapors.

 

01:00:35:03 - 01:01:04:01

Morley

And think about your mom had preeclampsia twice. But you had a very different experience. Yeah, you could argue that if a mom has a weakness like that, we expect it to to play out in the next generation. You didn't experience that. So. Yeah, that's that's beautiful. It's a real testament that you can reverse these conditions. You can overcome them, which is really what the RCP is all about.

 

01:01:04:03 - 01:01:26:15

Loren

Yeah. That's something I truly believe. I don't think we're destined, you know, just because your mom had this or just because, you know, your sister had this or you know, this runs in your family, you're not destined to have this issue, too. So I truly believe that the body's very capable of healing. It just needs to be given the right tools.

 

01:01:26:17 - 01:01:36:11

Loren

So. And that goes for not just fertility, pregnancy, lactation, you know, postpartum, but also just general issues regarding health, too.

 

01:01:36:12 - 01:01:58:18

Morley

Yeah. Well, I think people need to know that, that, that, that these nutrients are really critical. And I think they go well beyond the prenatal. I'm I'm not a huge fan of those things, you know, but I think people need to know that even a good prenatal, what's considered a good is not enough to address what Loren and I are speaking to here right now.

 

01:01:58:20 - 01:02:05:22

Morley

So it's just it's time to rethink and broaden your understanding of what's going on.

 

01:02:06:00 - 01:02:31:21

Loren

yeah, maybe I'll do an episode on prenatals because I have so many thoughts about them. I just think to people, yeah, yeah, people need to be more informed about what they it just everything about them. Because I think a lot of us are sold. Really, it's a lot of it's marketing. But, yeah, maybe I'll do that..

 

01:02:33:05 - 01:03:02:22

Loren

But. Yeah. Thank you so much, Morley. This was such an amazing conversation. I hope that it has been enlightening for everyone. Definitely everyone. Send your thoughts to Jojo. Prayers to Jojo. And, you know, I think hopefully you've gotten a lot of out of this conversation. So I would love to ask you two more questions. If somebody was trying to improve their health based on this conversation, you know, what's one thing that they can start doing today.

 

01:03:03:00 - 01:03:32:22

Morley

Put aside the internet folklore about what's considered good nutrition. That includes vitamin D and iron and ascorbic acid and things of that nature. And I think the other thing would be there is wisdom in your ancestors, in organ meats. It's not the word he's referring, the liver or the heart or the kidney, but they're very rich with nutrients and energy.

 

01:03:33:00 - 01:03:42:19

Morley

And I would encourage people to go beyond need to get to organ needs. Would be a very important, step for them to improve their health.

 

01:03:42:21 - 01:04:18:00

Loren

I think that's great advice. That that alone can make such a huge difference. So find a local, a farmer or a local butcher who sources organ meats from a reputable place. I would say pasture raised organ meats are definitely very different than conventionally raised organ meats. They taste so different. They smell so different. So if you've tried organ meats and you haven't liked it, give, pasture raised a chance because the difference is incredible.

 

01:04:18:00 - 01:04:32:04

Loren

It's so much sweeter, so much more palatable. It's actually good tasting versus not not so good tasting. So thank you for that, Morley. And then lastly, how can people find you and support your work?

 

01:04:32:06 - 01:05:07:20

Morley

Certainly. Online with the magnesium advocacy group, the RCP community. Again, RCP123.org, through the training program and the RCP Institute would love to have, your followers be a part of that for enrolling right now for the class number 20, which is very exciting. And then for those who really want. Yeah, I know, for those who want to, reach out to me personally, I always give out my email address, which is my first and last name, at gmail.com.

 

01:05:07:22 - 01:05:32:09

Morley

And then for those brave of you that want to talk to me, my phone numbers area code (847)922-8061. And the highlight of my day. I get several calls a day, but the highlight of my day are the people call expecting me not to answer and I always answer my phone and the response on the other end is always hypoxia.

 

01:05:32:11 - 01:05:58:02

Morley

Oh my god, you do answer your phone. If I had a dollar for every time someone said that I could, I could retire yesterday. You know, it's I just love that it's that kind of that, in vivo experience of like, oh my gosh, who's accessible. So, I'm happy to have that conversation. And I appreciate the chance to have this dialog with you, Lauren, and look forward to others that we might have going forward.

 

01:05:58:02 - 01:06:13:07

Morley

But these are important topics that are not always the easiest to have. But I think people are at a point now where they need to know these important facts so they can just begin to catapult their health, going forward.

 

01:06:13:09 - 01:06:34:10

Loren

Absolutely, yes. And I'm I'm super appreciative of your time. I know those of you listening are also appreciative every time. It's always a pleasure. And I love how you just do you have a gift for breaking things down in such a palatable way? Digestible way? I really appreciate what you're doing really well.

 

01:06:34:12 - 01:06:43:21

Morley

I'm. I'm loving what I'm doing, and I'm going to keep doing it for as long as I can. So I appreciate the, the chance to to share this information.

 

01:06:43:23 - 01:06:50:22

Loren

All right. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Marlee. We'll talk soon.

 

01:06:51:00 - 01:07:10:00

Loren

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01:07:10:02 - 01:07:34:17

Loren

And if you're trying to conceive now or in the near future, I invite you to join my pregnancy prep e-course, Conscious Inception. Make sure to follow me on Instagram to at any underscore fertility and consider joining my newsletter to receive exclusive content related to fertility and so much more. A friendly reminder the content shared on this podcast is for informational purposes only, and should not be a substitute for the advice provided by your doctor or other health care professional.

 

01:07:34:19 - 01:07:38:06

Loren

It is not intended to be, nor does it constitute health care or medical advice.